Ha Ha, Only in the UK :-)

[UKBusinessLive]

You couldn't make this up, But to all of you that don't live in the UK, You'll be quite suprised at some of the Barmy goings on. :eek:

Its almost an embarassment, to all decent Hard working brits :D

So heres a nice selection of news direct from Loopy UK :eek:

Policeman sent on anger management course for swearing at knife-wielding thug who threatened to kill officer

A man who threatened to stab four police officers in the heart and held a two-hour stand-off is launching legal action because a police sergeant swore at him.

The sergeant has been sent to a Management Advice course and Northumbria Police face the threat of a civil action from the 35-year-old thug, who had to be subdued with a Taser gun. :eek:

When officers arrived at Glen Francis' home to arrest his girlfriend, he erupted in rage and targeted a female officer who was standing guard in his hallway.

He hurled a bowl of pasta at her before officers claim he held her captive in his house and threatened to shoot her with a handgun he hid in a cupboard.
She escaped, but when back-up arrived, Francis lunged at the officers with a six-inch knife, before the 35-year-old was shot twice with a Taser gun.

But he simply pulled the metal barbs from his skin and continued his savage attack.

Then he barricaded himself into a room at the address in Ambassador's Way, North Shields, where he used a hammer to smash the walls, and screamed: 'The first copper in here is getting f****** killed, come on, I only want one of you.'

After a two-hour stand-off with trained negotiators, armed officers stormed his kitchen and Tasered him a further three times before he was eventually arrested and taken into custody.

Francis claimed he was stripped of his clothes and handcuffed on a cell floor.
Those allegations have been thrown-out following an investigation by the Northumbria Police Professional Standards Department (PSD).

But they substantiated his claim a Sergeant was guilty of misconduct because he swore at Francis, and he was ordered to undergo a Management Advice course. :erm:

Francis, now of Wallsend, North Tyneside, said he was discussing legal action with his solicitor and planned to lodge a complaint with the European Court of Human Rights. :mad:

He said: 'I was a toe-rag when I was younger, but I'm trying to go straight.
'I'm really scared of the police now - I'm like a bag of nerves. :erm:

'I want to take legal action because they just get a telling off for what they did.
'It was an insult when I heard how the officer who swore at me got off - it upset me to hear someone say that.

During a trial at Newcastle Crown Court in September he was found guilty of affray and received a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years. (Which means he didn't even go to prison :mad::mad: )

A Northumbria Police spokesman said: 'Francis was convicted of affray in court. If any civil action is received it will be considered in the usual manner.' Simon Reed, of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said the case 'typifies the bureaucratic nonsense police officers have to contend with.'

The bad thing about this even though it appears like a script from the keystone Cops, Is that crap like this happens daily in the UK, with Violent thugs like this idiot citing the Human Rights Act to get compensation.

The quicker we do away with this pathectic Act, the better.

More Crazy headlines Tommorrow :up: :D

[lasto]

not even worth talking about because Evil can only truimph when good men do nothing.

[UKBusinessLive]

not even worth talking about because Evil can only truimph when good men do nothing.

Or in our case a spineless government. ;) I think the only real way to get Rich , nowdays in the UK is to make a claim citing the Human Rights Act, Imigrants, Terrorists, Criminals are making £££££'s with feeble complaints and they're getting paid big bucks.

I wonder if there's an opportunity for decent law abiding folk to get some of this windfall :eek:

[Shelley_c]

Things not to do if your a true citizen of the united kingdom and you could be the next millionaire. And not be the hundreds of thousands being screwed by the system(s)


Fight for your country
grow old
be one of the unlucky ones to be born from the united kingdom
work hard all your life
Become ill and rely on the nhs after putting years to the national contributions fund
Become a law abiding citizen
Help the muffin lady across the road.


As a rule, I don't like the police system here in the uk. They seem to spend their time on trying to pursue minor offences. Give it ten years or so when the immigrants have settled nicely into the communities when they gain a little more voice (when they learn our native language) and we'll start seeing them in government, police system and other key areas which will allow them to give them their own slice of their country they fled from.

So we can expect the 25% of laws we do control to be cut down drastically that will push the british person to the ground.

Seems to be the same 3 people in here who are voicing their concerns. I vow to try not to respond to a united kingdom related thread. Have we not got a bawling emotion?

What I don't understand about the guy with the knife is why they didn't go all guns blazing and shoot him. when a suspected gun man thought to be carrying a gun in the london underground he was shot dead without mercy and was found not to be carrying a gun at all.

[tipoboy]

I agree with all of your opinions, this country is screwed and the sooner the great BRITISH public realise that the better!

[Marco van Herwaarden]

What worries me most is that people already have their opinion ready, based on a story in a newspaper that simply does not have enough information to base an opinion on.

Does anyone even know what this policeman has said?

[Shelley_c]

People have their opinion already paved out because they live through it daily. Actually, a little like you have yours and not being a resident of the united kingdom I don't think you can lessen anyones concerns anymore than your own marco.

Have you actually been a victim of knife crime yourself? Because most people still live in a dream world that the worst thing that ever happened to them was a paper cut.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

My remark is not related to living anywhere specific in the world or having been victim to anything. My remark is aimed at those who have their opinion (on any subject) ready after reading a biased and incomplete story in a newspaper or TV.

I see the same happening in my own country. Today a newspaper will have scoop, the same day questions are asked in parlement, only to discover the next day that it was nothing but a hoax.

Why don't we just read the available information and use our own brains to come to a conclusion based on the real info available, instead of just following a screaming headline.

[Shelley_c]

I don't take notice of the newspapers, I do read and see an element of truth otherwise it wouldn't have been published. I know how the system works, and I know how silly situations can be taken to an extreme level with the guilty being slapped on the wrists and the person who risks his life is punished. Doesn't matter what the policeman said, If someone is threatening or even carrying a knife they should be treated the way they treat other people with no contempt. That's not the case though, we can see this guy getting a slap on the wrists whilst the officer in question is punished, probably leading to his job being in jeopardy and name being dragged in the dirt.

With regards to this thread, like any other it will evolve into the many other systems that has gone to the dogs.

I say it as we live it and from experience. You can believe anything that sounds ridiculous because the way the police system works.

Here's how stupid the system is. A postman drops a letter and a neighbour picks it up and a week later bragging how the police went to the guys door and fined him 80 pounds for littering. So, reality is anything is possible. The way the UK is going I'd believe that the UK will become a 3rd world country within the next 20 years, debt growing, criminals abusing the human right act and immigration rising that the country will not sustain this abusement much longer.

It's why I say on a daily basis look at the bigger picture and look into all aspects of why something such as this can be believed and how the system allows the guilty to become untouchable and the innocent to be dragged down to the ground.

I think that will be my last comment in this thread because it looks like I actually care which I don't. Nothing we can do or change circumstances that seem to be paved out for people.

[lasto]

all the problems in the UK are not down to immigrants - thats a fact.
Our own people are running amok and using our own laws against us.
We need to change the role of prisons as they currently stand and make the punishment worse than doing the crime.
Im all for bringing back capital punishment esp for some of the animals we seem to be breeding these days.
And im also for getting the UK out of the EU.

Also marco - regardless of what the copper said to him - does it warrant the policeman going on an anger course while the prisoner gets compensation because that is what is going to happen.The police should of gone in there heavy handed and smacked his head of his shoulders and then dragged him though the streets to show everyone else what a true tosser looks like.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

@lasto

How do you know if it warrants an anger management course, if you don't know what has happened or has been said? Policemen are not above the law and i personally have enough confidence in judges that they will make a reasonable judgement. Ofcourse there are mistakes made by judges, but they are not stupid or lost all view on reality.

PS That doesn't say anything about the criminal, his actions or his punishment.

[lasto]

the police would not of been there if it was not for his actions so regardless if they shouted/swore at him,its nothing to what he had coming.
Its getting to the point where they have to treat all criminals with kids gloves - whereas if they just went straight in and kicked the hell out of him - he would think twice about doing it in the future.But what message has he been given now ??

[Marco van Herwaarden]

That everyone will be judged on their own actions?

the police would not of been there if it was not for his actions so regardless if they shouted/swore at him,its nothing to what he had coming.

This sounds a bit like the reasoning they have in Thailand. If you (as a foreigner) are involved in for example a traffic accident, then it doesn't matter who is wrong. It will be always the foreigner to blame (and pay). Reasoning of the judge: If the foreigner had not come into the country the accident would never have happened.

[lasto]

well the fact he was threatening the police and had the knife and held a 2hr stand off believes me to think he was in the wrong.
Maybe he did`nt know what he was doing and just needed some motherly love - the poor guy and we judged him so wrong :)

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I never said the guy was not in the wrong, but 2 wrongs still don't make a right in my book. He was wrong and according to the judge the policeman was wrong also.

[lasto]

kk if i break into your house and threaten u and your family with a knife ,now while im still in your house i get arrested,but the policeman who arrests me swears at me and hurts my feeling - can u honestly turn round and say the policeman was wrong ?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

No i can't say (nor can you without additional info), nor can i say that he was correct. I don't know what he has said, but it seems a judge found it serious enough to warrant a punishment.

[UKBusinessLive]

No i can't say (nor can you without additional info), nor can i say that he was correct. I don't know what he has said, but it seems a judge found it serious enough to warrant a punishment.

We need to get the context right here, Marco, Yes the Judge did say that the Policeman was wrong to swear at the guy, but you need to know also, that it may of been a diversary tactic to throw the Hostage taker off guard.

The end result was a Violent criminal was taken off the streets, Remeber he was Tasered 3 times, and said he had a Gun as aswell as a Knife. It was by pure sheer luck that the Police woman managed to escape, and no one was hurt.

The Guy went to court and didn't even get locked up :mad: What sort of justice is that??

and to create even more trouble he managed using the Human rights Act to Get the Policeman into trouble for Swearing?? The only people that won here are the idiot that commited the crime and the Lawyers which cream the system for all its worth using the Human Rights act.

Bless their cotton socks :mad:

Oh Well, Life goes on. Any, as promised i've got for you guys Todays, "You Won't Believe it" Story....

Britain paying illegal migrants in Calais £1,700 to return home

Now you don't even have to be in the UK, to get hold of loads of FREE Cash, Compliments of the UK Taxpayer :mad:

Illegal immigrants queuing to enter Britain are being offered 'bribes' worth £1,700 to return home instead.

The British and French Governments are funding the Global Calais Project which targets those staying in squalid makeshift camps near Calais.

The immigrants - many of whom have paid people smugglers to help them reach the UK - are told they will be put on a flight home and given help worth 2,000 euros if they agree to go voluntarily.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/21/article-0-05C8742D000005DC-989_468x286.jpg
Roll Up, Roll up - Free Cash Here!!

The UK taxpayer's contribution, likely to run to millions of pounds, is to help the migrants set up a small business once they return to their homeland.
It also emerged last night that the Government is reconsidering funding joint flights with the French to take failed migrants home.

Last year the French pulled out of a plan to introduce charter flights to repatriate illegal Afghan migrants, citing humanitarian reasons.
The Home Office already funds payments worth £4,000 for failed asylum seekers living in the UK who agree to go home. But inducements are now on offer to people who have not even reached the UK.

Officials insist that any cash payments made to the migrants come from the French Government. However, the UK pays millions every year to the International Organisation for Migration, which is running the scheme. Last year the Home Office gave it almost £20million.

If we had an immigration system that was managed properly, and a border police force that stopped people getting in illegally, then Britain would stop being the soft target that it has been in the last decade.

This is getting really out of hand, Instead of stopping these illegals coming to the UK, Now they are going home with free cash, It really is that simple, Try it and see, Come to calais in France and try to get to the UK without a Passport, Instant Cash :mad:

Which genious in the labour party thought this one up? :mad::eek:

[Tim Skellett]

We need to get the context right here, Marco, Yes the Judge did say that the Policeman was wrong to swear at the guy, but you need to know also, that it may of been a diversary tactic to throw the Hostage taker off guard.

1) It wasn't a judge, it was the PSD -- Police Professional Standards Dept, Northumbria Police.

2) The swearing at the offender occured after a strip search; it was not a diversionary tactic.

These facts were mentioned in the original newspaper article.

The end result was a Violent criminal was taken off the streets, Remeber he was Tasered 3 times, and said he had a Gun as aswell as a Knife. It was by pure sheer luck that the Police woman managed to escape, and no one was hurt.

This is true.

The Guy went to court and didn't even get locked up.

I too regard his sentencing as too lenient. But are you prepared to pay much higher taxes to be able to build more prisons? Prisons in the UK are already way too over-crowded.

Unless you are prepared to pay higher taxes for better all-round policing and courts, all this is empty.

and to create even more trouble he managed using the Human rights Act to Get the Policeman into trouble for Swearing??

No, he did not manage to "create even more trouble ... using the Human rights Act ". So far he and his solicitor have only made noises about making such a complaint under the Human Rights Act. Nothing says that he would succeed even if he did.

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... Now you don't even have to be in the UK, to get hold of loads of FREE Cash, Compliments of the UK Taxpayer

Since the offender you mentioned in your OP is a True-Blue Native Brit, and no immigrant, what exactly do immigrants have to do with this?

[Shelley_c]

There are people who like to dictate notes and feel that the judge will always make the correct choice. People that basically sit on the fence that know nothing and/or experienced nothing. Type of people that basically live in a fairy tale world.

Marco, if you knew what kind of impact knife crime does to the victim you may have a case but I can honestly say I feel your the type that has experienced much in the way of knife/gun crime. Even with the evidence all set to commit the criminal they only need to use the human rights act (I call it abusing it) you may call it creative thinking? I dunno, you never really said apart from pointing out other peoples concerns in this thread though you seem to sit on the fence about a criminal that has probably wrecked multiple peoples lives.

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

I'd love for you too stay a week in my town and your view of things would change in a heart beat. Judging by your comments and not coming from the united kingdom I'd guess you know nothing about the justice system here and how criminals benefit from the outcome of trials which 9/10 are a complete farce.

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

edit: Didn't the immigrants enter the uk two or three days ago uklive?

[Tim Skellett]

..... in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act

This is untrue. Got any evidence at all for blaming the Human Rights Act in these cases?

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

This comment is completely unfair to Marco, and utterly wrong.

And I speak as someone who has personal friends in the British police forces, and I speak as someone who has been knifed, and still has the scars to prove it.

Abusing Marco like this is completely unwarrented.

[Shelley_c]

Tim, A friend i grew up with as a child was killed from knife crime defending someone else by jumping in the way and being stabbed in the heart and being threatened myself I think I have a good insight what knife crime is about.

The guy served two years because he told the judge he was bulled as a kid and this got him a lighter sentence. The guy actually ran home to get the knife to come back which he did so instead of serving the mx sentence he got man slaughter. So, tim, yet again with your multi-quote I'd say I have a pretty good insight on what I'm actually talking about and how the shitty justice system is in the uk.

edit: I'm speaking of using the humans right act in general by criminals. And, I still stand by my comment. People that sit on the fence are down right cowards that know nothing and/or experienced nothing.

[UKBusinessLive]

Since the offender you mentioned in your OP is a True-Blue Native Brit, and no immigrant, what exactly do immigrants have to do with this?

Its The 2nd Day of the Ha Ha, Only in the UK Thread, where i add something new every day ;)

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Abusing Marco like this is completely unwarrented.

No one is Abusing Marco, Tim, Its a good debate that effects quite a lot of english people, Where about in the UK are you from??

[Tim Skellett]

... No one is Abusing Marco, Tim,

I suggest you re-read Shelley C's post. It was obvious.

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Tim, A friend i grew up with as a child was killed from knife crime defending someone else by jumping in the way and being stabbed in the heart and being threatened myself I think I have a good insight what knife crime is about.

I am sorry to hear of your friend, but no-one is debating your insight into knife crime, andut your comments about Marco were utterly unfair.

I'm speaking of using the humans right act in general by criminals. And, I still stand by my comment. People that sit on the fence are down right cowards that know nothing and/or experienced nothing.

You still haven't shown at all how the Human Rights Act is to blame.

And since I have experienced quite a deal, and as said, quite literally I have the scars to prove it, perhaps you will listen to my objections here.

[UKBusinessLive]

Unless you are prepared to pay higher taxes for better all-round policing and courts, all this is empty.



The UK Taxpayer is Paying more in Taxes now than at any other time, since the Labour Government have got into Power, I'm all for keeping the money in the UK and fixing whats wrong here, but we seem to pump millons giving money away, like theres no tommorrow (See my second story!)

Prisons can be built, its not a lack of money, The Government simply chose not to :mad:

[Paul M]

Stick to the topic please, not discussion about each other, or this will be closed.

Edit: This is not directed at the post above, which appeared while I was posting, but rather at the previous few posts.

[Tim Skellett]

The UK Taxpayer is Paying more in Taxes now than at any other time, since the Labour Government have got into Power,

But not because of the Labour govt, but because some very pushy financial types managed to cause a credit-crunch conflagration, and the govt had to pour money in to save the entire economy.

Those pushers of "financial instruments" and subprime mortgage sales have caused far more damage to you and me than young street thugs ever will.

Prisons can be built, its not a lack of money, The Government simply chose not to :mad:

No. The government just does not have the money at this time. They are going to have to make savage cuts in all public services, no matter who the govt is after the next election. The UK is in for around eight extremely tough financial years. Moody may well downgrade the credit rating of Britain as a nation. It's not a fun time.

[Shelley_c]

If marco thinks I'm abusing him then he knows where the ban button is. And, I'm sure he will be happy to use it if he thinks this. :)

The evidence is all around you. Newspapers. Sentences that passed. Criminals using the humans right act to get a lighter sentence I won't wade through links for you you can do your own homework and if by the offchance you never found the cases where criminals used the humans right act to their own benefit then you haven't looked hard enough.

Are you from the UK Tim out of curiosity (born here).

[UKBusinessLive]

You still haven't shown at all how the Human Rights Act is to blame.


Here you go.........

Human Rights Act has 'helped rapists and murderers escape justice' for 10 years, says top detective

One of the country's top detectives yesterday launched a withering attack on the Human Rights Act and claimed it had helped murderers and rapists to escape justice.

Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg said since its introduction in 1998 hardened criminals had effectively used the legislation to hide from the law.
He described its abuse as "callous, heartless and deeply offensive" and called for new measures to prevent it from continuing.

"As a police officer one of the most frustrating things is when killers, who have shown not one ounce of compassion for their fellow human beings, start trying to have the shield of human rights drawn around them," he said.

"For hardened criminals to try to use this legislation as protection causes terrible offence to the families of victims who have suffered appalling and cruel deaths at the hands of those who are quick to talk about human rights but were so swift to take away the human rights of others.

"We have got the balance wrong and the legislation needs modifying to remove the loopholes that presently exist. We have got to get some perspective and balance into it. We seem to have forgotten the victims.
"It is callous, heartless and deeply offensive."

Last month, fanatical cleric Abu Qatada, one of the world's most dangerous terror suspects, successfully fought extradition to Jordan where he is wanted on suspicion of plotting terrorist atrocities after his lawyers relied on the Human Rights Act.

The Appeal Court said that even though the Home Office had an agreement Qatada himself would not be harmed some of the evidence used against him may have been obtained by torture.

Qatada, described as Osama bin Laden's ambassador in Europe, has since been granted bail in the UK under a 22-hour curfew expected to cost the taxpayer £500,000 a year.

Det Chief Supt Gregg, outgoing head of West Yorkshire Police's Homicide and Major Enquiry Team, spoke out on the eve of his retirement and said it was time the law was changed in favour of the victims.

His comments were last night welcomed by politicians and fellow police officers.
Tom McGhie, chairman of the West Yorkshire Police Federation, said:

"It seems we are more concerned with the rights of the minority. What is more important - the rights of the law-abiding majority or the rights of murderers?"

Conservative MP Philip Davies, for Shipley, West Yorkshire, has called for human rights legislation to be scrapped.

He said: "Human rights legislation is fatally and fundamentally flawed and means police officers who are trying to keep the streets safe are doing so with one or two hands tied behind their back."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566202/Human-Rights-Act-helped-rapists-murderers-escape-justice-10-years-says-detective.html#ixzz0MZyljoUe

[Shelley_c]

The sooner it's scrapped the better. Because, legitimate hard-working honest people have never needed to use it (though there might be a few cases) it's mainly there for criminals, used by criminals, helping criminals.

What do you think tim? Is the humans right act mainly benefiting the criminals rather than the law abiding CITIZENS of the UNITED KINGDOM or do you think it helps everyone as a whole?

[UKBusinessLive]

But not because of the Labour govt, but because some very pushy financial types managed to cause a credit-crunch conflagration, and the govt had to pour money in to save the entire economy.

Those pushers of "financial instruments" and subprime mortgage sales have caused far more damage to you and me than young street thugs ever will.


Tim , This has nothing to do with the Credit Crunch, before all that, labour have nearly doubled the Taxes that the average UK Taxpayer pays, Through Stealth Taxes and charges.

Just do a search on google "UK Taxes under labour", Its quite Frightening :eek:

Anyway Lets not panic too much about the HRA, But move on to my Second Story of the night....

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1857236&postcount=18

Fancy Illegal imigrants getting £1700 (2000 euro's) of UK Tax money in france to go home, without setting a single foot on UK soil.

Are we wasting money here, Will it encourage more illegals to join the line for this free payout??

Your thoughts as always :D

[Marco van Herwaarden]

There are people who like to dictate notes and feel that the judge will always make the correct choice. People that basically sit on the fence that know nothing and/or experienced nothing. Type of people that basically live in a fairy tale world.

Marco, if you knew what kind of impact knife crime does to the victim you may have a case but I can honestly say I feel your the type that has experienced much in the way of knife/gun crime. Even with the evidence all set to commit the criminal they only need to use the human rights act (I call it abusing it) you may call it creative thinking? I dunno, you never really said apart from pointing out other peoples concerns in this thread though you seem to sit on the fence about a criminal that has probably wrecked multiple peoples lives.

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

I'd love for you too stay a week in my town and your view of things would change in a heart beat. Judging by your comments and not coming from the united kingdom I'd guess you know nothing about the justice system here and how criminals benefit from the outcome of trials which 9/10 are a complete farce.

I know I said it would be my last comment but people who sit on the fence i find to be cowards at the best times.

edit: Didn't the immigrants enter the uk two or three days ago uklive?
Shelley what i have experienced has nothing to do with the only point i ever wanted to make in this thread: People are being asked, and are too much happy to comply, to base an opinion on biased and incomplete information.

Nowehere i have said that i agreed with either the criminal, nor the policeman. All i am saying is that if you want to make a case, provide the information needed to base an opinion on. And in the original post this was not the case.

You can continue trying to provoke me into taking a position on the topic you want, but i am not getting myself mixed up in that.

[Shelley_c]

Your asking me to provide additional information when uklive has posted the info and still your saying you won't get mixed up or debate? Why even ask then? Aren't you provoking a response then?

I could post various cases on human rights act being abused which doesn't relate directly to this case but is similar to cases of the humans right act being abused.

Then I get some response that I'm abusing you from Tim? You seriously have to laugh. Why ask? if your taking a stance on standing on the fence.

All the information is in this thread marco. And, FYI, If your now taking a stance on standing on the fence again why even ask me?

[lasto]

well my view is :

regardless if the cop swore at him after he was arrested - who really cares.
The cops should of got him in the cell and kicked seven tonnes of crap out of him and then strapped him in a chair and tortured him for the next few hours.
Dont sound nice does it - well neither does the crimes they commit on innocent people.Remember for every crime there an innocent Victim,but who cares about victims these days ?
I myself believe the police should have more powers (not less) - and yes i would gladly pay more tax towards more prisons being built but on thinking about it - if we never gave as much away to other countries and took care of ourself first then we proberly would`nt be in this mess in the 1st place.

Anyway back on topic - marco u are wrong and its do gooders like you that make the system what it is.If a cop swears at you or abuses you take it on the chin - remember this man is the criminal and sometimes they need taking down a peg or two and put back into their place.
2 many do gooders in the world thats half the problem and the other half of the problem is everyone has gone PC.

[Oyobiia]

I swear to god the police here in the UK need to go medieval or give them guns, that guy could of been sorted out in 10 mins with a bullet between the eye.

[lasto]

I swear to god the police here in the UK need to go medieval or give them guns, that guy could of been sorted out in 10 mins with a bullet between the eye.

well said but it never going to happen because the police are controlled by bureaucrats who have no back bone.
How far does crime has to go before they decide the current system is not working - also sending people to prison for a few years holiday is not the answer.We need to make them work and hate the prospect of going to jail as it will be their worst nightmare.
Then we need to bring back borstals for the young hooligans running the street and if they are at a certain age,hand them to the army to instill some discipline into them.
Treat women and men the same - One rule,One law

[Shelley_c]

While the fence is reminisce to the great wall of china the people which lack a backbone. When and if they experience their own being murdered, child raped then they'll quote documents and ask for statistics. At the moment these kind of people don't need the justice system to serve society as whole because the spineless gits have had an easy life with a silver spoon (I almost feel sorry for their siblings) almost because they learn from their spineless parents who think because they work for a company that they are untouchable and/or they haven't experienced what hardship can bring.


I am a true believer that every dog will have his/her day and when that day comes they will scream from the rafters about how miserable the justice system is and how it hasn't served them the way they wish that it had.

Of course, I'll be laughing at them. Gloating and with a nice quote what goes around comes around. :D

Bring back the gas chambers, gas them to death a kind of mass cull but a cull that actually serves a purpose.

[UKBusinessLive]

The UK has now more 16 to 25 year olds unemployed than at any other time, Why don't they bring back National Service, Quite a lot of european countries have National Service, I know Spain has.

Rather than Pay them for doing nothing, why not send them to do National Service, It will instill disapline and provide a boost for the Armed services as well as teaching them a trade. (Remember the Army has about 100 or so different jobs!!)

Plus any Imigrants that come over here for citizenship, should do a spell of National Service as part of their induction, If they want to live in england they can defend it too ;)

Makes sense in my books

[students_forum]

Confidence in judges in the UK is low. Has been for a long time now. Might be different from where you are but in the united kingdom there's a different picture being painted with killers serving two years, paedophiles getting let off after raping 2 year old girls, all because of the human rights act and of course the infamous "I'm ++++ing insane" I should be put into a luxury, low security hotel and kill again on day release.

This is not only absolute rubbish, but shamefully defeats the object of what a debate is. Either back up your comments with at least the tiniest hint of research or don't make any statements at all.

In my understanding of the British legal system (as a law student) I am immensely proud of it. That is the sentiment shared across the world, which is why the common law is the legal system most companies & corporations around the world choose to deal in.

Now, the insanity criminal laws are heavy, to say the least. And require, medical evidence ... so it isn't some form of excuse that anyone can get. In fact, many criminals would rather go inside than to be labelled insane! Of course, you're failing to realise the poor people you'd be denying a defence when they genuinely need it. Therein lies your problem. You take a general rule that seems to function pretty well and look at a few isolated and rare incidents were it didn't work and think the rule should be disposed off ..

I have never heard of killers being given two year sentences, naturally you won't provide any evidence ... so I'll simply move on and make my last comment that you haven't got a clue just how empowering the Human Rights Act is to you and I.

Only recently, the House of Lords senior judges voted that secret evidence obtained through tortured means can't be used against anyone. You, me and any other person in a court should be given a fair trial and a chance to defend yourself against what you have been accused of. The Human Rights Act guarantees that right and gives the judges the right to enforce it. In other words, the state can't take it away from you. And anyone who is prepared to deny people this basic right, is no different to the terrorist at-the-end-of-the-day in what the aim to achieve.

[Shelley_c]

Again your in denial. Your quoting what? google?. My friend was killed and the killer served two years after running home getting the knife (pre-meditated) and let off by pleading he was bullied as a kid and got a lighter sentence, he bullied people as a kid.

So you've never heard of a case there's one case. Your quoting crap again. again, get your head out those scriptures and start living in the real world.

Your not from the uk are you? when i say that I say you wern't born in the uk? :)

[students_forum]

Again your in denial. Your quoting what? google?. My friend was killed and the killer served two years after running home getting the knife (pre-meditated) and let off by pleading he was bullied as a kid and got a lighter sentence, he bullied people as a kid.

So you've never heard of a case there's one case. Your quoting crap again. again, get your head out those scriptures and start living in the real world.

Your not from the uk are you? when i say that I say you wern't born in the uk? :)

Can you link me to this case. There is usually an online report (especially murder)? I am interested in how the barrister presented that sort of defence in a court.
Out of interest, what do you mean living in the real world? I am pretty sure, my full-time job, managing life as a student with modest finances and having to study a variety of subjects gives me a an all-round experience of the world. What have I missed?

[Shelley_c]

No I won't link you to the case, you do your own digging around you seem to be good at that. I've mentioned my friends name in a couple of responses you do the rest.

Seeing as you never answered my question I'll refrain from answering any of yours. By not answering I think you gave your answer. ;)

Bartenders income modest nowadays. Around our parts alot of the bartenders are people I find difficult to understand. I can't take you seriously anymore, nothing personal. ;)

[Winterworks]

Can you link me to this case. There is usually an online report (especially murder)? I am interested in how the barrister presented that sort of defence in a court.
Out of interest, what do you mean living in the real world? I am pretty sure, my full-time job, managing life as a student with modest finances and having to study a variety of subjects gives me a an all-round experience of the world. What have I missed?


Just a quick Google search of "UK Knife Crime Tim", and I came up with this:

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=226081

Not sure if it's the right Tim, but I tried for you.

[Shelley_c]

You can read it here (http://www.northantset.co.uk/corby/Friends39-fury-at-39joke39-sevenyear.2998595.jp).

[Tim Skellett]

What have I missed?


Not much.