I saw the most horrific thing tonight :cries: [Archive]

Sue

01 Sep 2003, 07:55

Tonight while sitting here on this computer I heard very loud yowling outside, and I thought perhaps it was a couple cats fighting. I looked out the window and I see a car stopped in the road. I look in front of the car, and there's my neighbor's kitten in the street, yowling in pain. It got hit by a car.

The poor thing's leg was just flailing around as if it were an unused limb that wasn't supposed to be there. It was so terrible.

What's even worse is the #@#@^#%$*%$*^% drove off and left it there. Bastard.

My fiance went out after I gave him a blanket and gently, carefully picked up the kitten. There was no way in hell we were going to leave it there.

We drove as fast as we could to the animal hospital, got there in 5 minutes. They took the kitten in while we waited in a room.

The doctor came back and told us that its right pelvis was shattered completely.

We covered the initial treatment costs, and were given a low estimate and a high estimate, and put down 75% of the low cost estimate for xrays, fluids, iv, etc.

I am crying right now thinking about the poor thing.

We tried the neighbor's tonight but no one was home, or wasn't answering their door.

We're going to try again tomorrow.

I hope to the gods and goddesses that they will help the poor dear and not want to put him down.

The vet told us that if they go the surgical route, it can cost anywhere from 2-3 thousand dollars. I tell you, if I had the money to spend like that, it would be no questions asked; just do it. I wouldn't care if the neighbors paid us back or not. It would just be our cat after that anyway ;)

But the other option she said was that since this is a kitten, 4-6 months old, they heal quickly. Can anyone confirm this for sure? I dunno about a shattered pelvis. :( So anyway, the other option she gave us is to keep it in a dog cage for 6 -8 weeks with food, water, bed, etc. We have a large cage from a dog we once had a few years ago.

I truly hope the neighbors will want to help it. If they don't at all, I want to try the 6-8 week thing. I want it to have a chance to live is all. If this is what we end up doing, and at the end of 6-8 weeks it hasn't improved, I'll do what's necessary, although I'll be heartbroken for this little guy.

It just sucks, I can't believe how cruel people can be. I wish I had gotten the license plate number of the bastard's car. I was on the 2nd floor (our apartment) and couldn't see it. :(

The kitten is beautiful. Dark chocolate coat with amber eyes.

:( :( :(

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 08:12

Thats awful:(

I got this from google:
With any injury to the back the cat could have spinal problems or a shattered pelvis. It is important that you cat is treated for these injuries as yes broken bones will heal but they may heal deformed and cause your cat more problems in the long run or with a spinal injury need specialist help immediately to give your kitten the best chance of recovering.

Hopefully it will be alright

insanctus

01 Sep 2003, 08:13

That is sad that the person just ran off. Perhaps they was drinking (it is that weekend)

But as for costs you never know if the person next door has 3k to put in a kitten.

I find it very cool that you and yours took the time to help it though.

Chris M

01 Sep 2003, 10:01

That is really sad to hear - I hope the Kitten will be alright:(

Satan

kamu

01 Sep 2003, 11:58

I had 2 of my cats killed, and the last cat got hit by a car, my neighbors spotted the person and recognized him as my old best friend whom I caught with my girlfriend a week before. I put him into the hospital and spent 2 days in jail.. it was all worth it, I'm a cat lover.

Dean C

01 Sep 2003, 13:33

It's a terrible thing when this happens. All my cats don't go anywhere near the road when a car is near. I make sure they are petrified of cars and run for cover when one is near. By driving at them, honking the car horn. It sounds cruel but not one of my cats has ever been run over. It's the safest way :(

bvtonedog

01 Sep 2003, 13:34

aww poor kitten :(, hopefully in the end the kitten will be ok

lasto

01 Sep 2003, 13:46

by law u dont need to report a cat if u run it over - u can just leave it by the roadside or bag it and bin it.
Not nice i know but the law for dogs is totally different and must be reported.
No animal should suffer in needless pain so sorry to hear what you went though sue.
Also 2-3 thousand dollors for a cat - be cheaper to have it put down to be honest.No wonder your neighbours aint answering the door.Is it any wonder when vets are charging high prices such as these.I know you have the animal welfare at heart but you gotta relise some people dont have that sort of money no matter how much they love their animals.

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 13:49

@Latso; Its not whether its a law or not, its the fact that it was still alive and in pain. Im sure if you were in the same situation you would help it.

But its silly that you have to report dogs and not cats, cats are nicer:(:bunny:

lasto

01 Sep 2003, 13:55

if was me i would help it - cause i have feeling but i was only stating the fact that they dont need to hence why they proberly drove off.

Actually dogs are nicer and do more for you.Dogs protect the home which is mainly their function.What does a cat do ?
Its basically a wild animal and attaches itself to the home it lives in whereas a dog attaches itself to a person.

Notice the difference.

bvtonedog

01 Sep 2003, 14:00

not true, my cat would follow me no matter where i go, if i let him out of the house when i went he would follow me, not just stay around the house no matter where i go, cats make you live longer as well ^^

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 14:06

Sadly cats dont have the mental capacity to do what dogs do, so you can't blame 'em for not being like a dog :bunny:

SnowBot

01 Sep 2003, 15:47

Cats are virmin, Its a fact, they are classed as so and thats why you dont have to stop, same as hitting a rat.

Id love to see a cat become a guide"cat" a see and eye "cat" a sniffer "cat" a guard "cat"

Cats are indepensent creatures.

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 15:52

Today at 04:47 PM SnowBot said this in Post #13 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430422#post430422)
Cats are virmin, Its a fact, they are classed as so and thats why you dont have to stop, same as hitting a rat.

Id love to see a cat become a guide"cat" a see and eye "cat" a sniffer "cat" a guard "cat"

Cats are indepensent creatures.

Thats awful to say. And as I mentioned above cats dont have the mental capicity to do those kind of things, same as a baby not being able to talk. Cats a pets more than anything, and can't really defend themselves so leave them alone.

Also, sort your your spelling and grammar out.

Dean C

01 Sep 2003, 15:56

I have 5 cats and wouldn't swap them for a dog any day. But i won't start a cat/dog debate :)

Sue

01 Sep 2003, 16:16

This is what he looks like, only this image is of an older cat:

http://www.cyber-cats.com/images/cards/choc_cat.jpg

I found out what breed it is. It's called Havana Brown.

Blindchild02

01 Sep 2003, 16:23

oh, i saw u type this is what he looks like before i saw the pic...

i thought u were gonna show a recent pic :(

i woulda been scared....

Intex

01 Sep 2003, 16:51

Sue - Really sorry to hear about the poor cat. It makes me so mad / sad when I see or hear about this sort of thing. One of the few things that pushes my button is to see someone harming an animal. Whilst I know you don't treat violence with violence, it makes me so mad, that if I saw it, I think I'd just flip.

I really hope that cat is okay and the neighbours will help the little guy out. I've taken in so many strays over the years and have never regretted it once. I personally think its really bad when people put a price tag on an animal, i.e. when it becomes not 'worth-while' to saves it life. It sux - but this is the world we live in and its becomming more capitalistic as the years go by.

How about setting up a paypal account so people can make a donation, however small? You might be able to raise enough or at least help them. I'd be happy to contribute.

Snowbot - Cats are vermin? How about realising that humans are vermin. We spread more disease than anybody else and cause more destruction that any other living being.

And just because a dog does more than a cat, why does that make any difference at all. Of course if all you are basing this on what something can do for you then your entitled to your opinion. What about people that do nothing for you directly and just go around killing, stealing and generally making the world a bad place to live? Shall we get rid of them? I can tell you now, given the option, I'd get rid of them rather than any animal.

It's a cruel world :mad:.

Chris M

01 Sep 2003, 17:10

@Intex - Great minds think alike - I suggested it to Sue via PM, and she said that she would see what the neighbours do:)

I would be happy to donate what few $ I have in my Paypal account:)

To all you people who think dogs are smarter

I take the philosophy of Jack Byrnes (Robert De Niro) from the film "Meet the Parents" - Dogs are emotionally shallow creatures which are easy to break (i.e. shouting at them) - Cats make you work for their affection;)

Satan

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 17:11

Amen to that Chris;)

Dakkon

01 Sep 2003, 20:24

Today at 05:51 PM Intex said this in Post #18 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430436#post430436)
Snowbot - Cats are vermin? How about realising that humans are vermin. We spread more disease than anybody else and cause more destruction that any other living being.
I second. I like cats and dogs both. Whoever said that have lack of knowledge for sure.

Intex

01 Sep 2003, 20:33

:) @ Hellsatan and OMG you live in Northampton - same as me :D.

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 20:44

Today at 09:33 PM Intex said this in Post #22 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430492#post430492)
:) @ Hellsatan and OMG you live in Northampton - same as me :D.

Yeah, he only lives about 30 mins away from me.;)

Intex

01 Sep 2003, 20:55

LOOOOOOL - the world is not only cruel its also very small :). What a coincidence !!

Chris M

01 Sep 2003, 22:04

Oh dear god...

I live just outside of Northampton, born I was born in Northampton General Hospital, and lived on Southfields for about 7 years;)

Satan

Sue

01 Sep 2003, 22:39

Yeah, I have posted about this little guy across on my own message board and a few other places, and I can't begin to tell you how many people have offered to donate money. I will probably do a paypal donation, but first I have to find out for certain if it does in fact belong to the people next door, or to anyone at all.

If anyone would like to follow up on updates since I'll be picking up the kitten tonight at the hospital, you can read up on my journal, located at http://svtscorpio.livejournal.com

Someone made an excellent suggestion on another message board:

Instead of the expensive surgery, aren't there those little harnesses with wheels, so if the kitty can't walk, he can still get places by walking with his front paws, and the contraption carrying his legs behind him? I know those are much cheaper, though it does make the kitty dependant on that.

Thank you all for your support. :) I'll be taking a picture later tonight of the little guy. I'll post it across the internet :)

assassingod

01 Sep 2003, 22:42

I don't agree with the Kitty-wheelchair because wouldn't it be too much wait for the kitten to carry with just 2 legs? I know dogs can do that since they have longer legs and stronger muscles but im not sure about the kitty:(

Sue

01 Sep 2003, 22:56

Today at 09:46 AM lasto said this in Post #8 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430394#post430394)

Check out what I found on the MSPCA website (http://www.mspca.org/law_enforcement/Law_Enforcement.html#overview):

OVERVIEW OF MASSACHUSETTS ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS
It is unlawful for an owner or custodian of an animal:

To fail to provide an animal with:

* Proper food and water
* Shelter or protection from the weather
* Veterinary attention to reduce or end suffering from disease or injury
* A sanitary environment

To willfully abandon an animal

To carry or cause an animal to be carried in or on a vehicle in a manner that endangers the animal including transport of an improperly secured animal

To willfully permit an animal to be subjected to unnecessary torture, suffering, or cruelty

To Subject, Cause or Procure an animal:
* To be tortured or tormented
* To be cruelly killed, beaten or mutilated

To fail to notify the owner or police after striking a dog or cat with a motor vehicle.

To use animals as lure or bail in a cruel or inhuman manner

To transport an animal in the back of a motor vehicle unless animal is properly restrained.

Check your facts. Then, if I were you, I'd RECHECK them.

Jerry

01 Sep 2003, 23:21

I've been on both sides of the story its a horrible thing.

N!ck

02 Sep 2003, 00:16

SnowBot

02 Sep 2003, 02:00

Yesterday at 04:52 PM assassingod said this in Post #14 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430424#post430424)

Also, sort your your spelling and grammar out.

Ok i will if you will :p Will Will :p

Maybe check your own posts before trying to belittle others. It just makes you look like a fool when you cant even do that.

Also i did not know this was an english class, silly me. Next time i post i will remember and bring my thesaurus with me so i can consult it.

SnowBot

02 Sep 2003, 02:31

Also i would like to point out that i NEVER said i did not think it was wrong or cruel, just that cats are unsocial animals and are independant.

EDIT

So please do not read in to things and come up with your own answers.

Intex

02 Sep 2003, 05:08

N!ck, whilst your entitled to your own opinion, saying that cats are evil is just a ludicrous comment. In your experience this maybe true, but its certainly not the case generally. Saying all cats are evil is just the same as saying all people are evil or in fact anything ad everything else is evil.

I've had around loads of cats in my time and, in my experience, all have been very friendly and loving animals and offer a lot more than just a sniff of gratitude when its feeding time.

Of course, as I've said many other times before to others, there are exceptions to this rule and other animals can be 'wired' wrong and can be nasty. Then there's how they are treated by their owners!

Intex

02 Sep 2003, 05:14

Sue - I've read your diary and will continue to do so for updates. With respect to your neighbours - they don't deserve the kitten. Anybody that wouldn't phone the hospital to see how they are etc. doesn't deserve him. Let's hope that the tech wants him. That could certainly be the best option for the little guy.

assassingod

02 Sep 2003, 06:48

Today at 03:00 AM SnowBot said this in Post #31 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430583#post430583)
Ok i will if you will :p Will Will :p

Maybe check your own posts before trying to belittle others. It just makes you look like a fool when you cant even do that.

Also i did not know this was an english class, silly me. Next time i post i will remember and bring my thesaurus with me so i can consult it.

The reason I said that because your spelling and grammar is very bad and I couldn't understand your post. I guess if you want to participate in the debate about cats/dogs then atleast make your argument readable.

lasto

02 Sep 2003, 07:03

Yesterday at 11:56 PM Sue said this in Post #28 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430534#post430534)
Check out what I found on the MSPCA website (http://www.mspca.org/law_enforcement/Law_Enforcement.html#overview):

To fail to notify the owner or police after striking a dog or cat with a motor vehicle.

Check your facts. Then, if I were you, I'd RECHECK them.

Im UK - so recheck your facts.

Jerry

02 Sep 2003, 08:02

Today at 01:16 AM N!ck said this in Post #30 (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=430555#post430555)
Glenn Humplik may have a thing for cats, but personally I think they're downright evil. Y'all may think your cats love you, but really all they love is the bowl of food you set out for 'em and the sandbox you give 'em to do their business in.

Anyway, I do have a cat, and I think it's incapable of learning that I'm not a predator. (That's right, I can't even get within ten feet of it unless it's sleeping.) My dog on the other hand (a shih-tzu at that!) will speak, shake, roll over, come to me, get away from me, jump up in my lap, etc. All I have to do is tell her to.

Funny how life can be a mirror some times, thats the good thing about Karma.

Intex

02 Sep 2003, 16:35

Sue - I've just read the update up to 11:32am. I can't beileve your neighbours - that is just totally out of order! Nobody like that should ever be allowed to have animals.

Anyway, hopefully the papers will all get signed off and the tech will have the kitten and it gets the surgery it needs. Fingers crossed.

Intex

04 Sep 2003, 16:57

Sue - Just read your last journal entry. That's really cool he will be going to such a good home - where better could he go than the director of operations at the vet !! (apart from your home of course :)).

I bet he did remember you too when you went to sign the papers. Really please someone took the time to help him out. Definitely give yourself some chocolate for that :D.

r6xual

10 Jun 2004, 00:33

Glenn Humplik may have a thing for cats, but personally I think they're downright evil. Y'all may think your cats love you, but really all they love is the bowl of food you set out for 'em and the sandbox you give 'em to do their business in.

Anyway, I do have a cat, and I think it's incapable of learning that I'm not a predator. (That's right, I can't even get within ten feet of it unless it's sleeping.) My dog on the other hand (a shih-tzu at that!) will speak, shake, roll over, come to me, get away from me, jump up in my lap, etc. All I have to do is tell her to.

Funny, my cat wont stop showing me affection, im pretty sure if you cant get within 10 feet of your cat without it running away, theres something that is causing/caused him/her to do that. Its no different with dogs, they will do the same thing. BTW, I tought my cat to fetch :squareeyed:

Reeve of shinra

10 Jun 2004, 03:38

What a bump!! I am curious to know how the cat turned out though. =(

Brad

10 Jun 2004, 10:06

Funny, my cat wont stop showing me affection, im pretty sure if you cant get within 10 feet of your cat without it running away, theres something that is causing/caused him/her to do that. Its no different with dogs, they will do the same thing. BTW, I tought my cat to fetch :squareeyed:
Cats are werid creaters indeed. It is true that they don't in most cases love their owners to the point a dog would, this is very true if your cat was a stray or raised by its real mother.

If you raise a cat from the time it was born or before it opens it's eyes it can see you has its 'owner' and will probbly show you more 'love' then a stray or one raised by a cat.

Cats will take to anyone that will feed them, and are impossible to train in most cases.

Dogs on the other hand will take to humans better, they will also attempt to learn from and protech their owners. Honestly if you have the room for a dog to run they are better pets imo, it just takes a responible owner to have a dog. You can't leave him food and water and show him no love and expect him to love you like one of the family. Dog also require strong owner, if they see themselves as the dominate animal they will attempt to take over the control of the house hold.

Ever meet a dog that dose anything it wants and won't listen to its owner? It dose this because it belives that it is the head of the family pack, often times you will find such dogs in homes where the family treats them like big spoiled babies.

Tony G

10 Jun 2004, 12:23

Cat > Dog.

That is all. But I'd also like to know how the poor kitten turned out. :(

Deviant++

24 Jan 2005, 17:08

*editted*

forget it :(

mholtum

24 Jan 2005, 18:03

Check out what I found on the MSPCA website (http://www.mspca.org/law_enforcement/Law_Enforcement.html#overview):

OVERVIEW OF MASSACHUSETTS ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS
It is unlawful for an owner or custodian of an animal:

To fail to provide an animal with:

* Proper food and water
* Shelter or protection from the weather
* Veterinary attention to reduce or end suffering from disease or injury
* A sanitary environment

To willfully abandon an animal

To carry or cause an animal to be carried in or on a vehicle in a manner that endangers the animal including transport of an improperly secured animal

To willfully permit an animal to be subjected to unnecessary torture, suffering, or cruelty

To Subject, Cause or Procure an animal:
* To be tortured or tormented
* To be cruelly killed, beaten or mutilated

To fail to notify the owner or police after striking a dog or cat with a motor vehicle.

To use animals as lure or bail in a cruel or inhuman manner

To transport an animal in the back of a motor vehicle unless animal is properly restrained.

Check your facts. Then, if I were you, I'd RECHECK them.
Only a few states will even recognize a cat as personal property. Due to the fact that they roam "wild" and are allowed to come and go as they please.

A good example of this is when a neighbors cat got into my friends home through an open window and killed his $2500 Parrot. He caught the cat restraigned it in the bathroom and called to police. According to them there was nothing they could do. As no law was actually broken. On the flip side, if a dog were to do the same thing, the owners would be liable. Needless to say the cat "disappeared" mysteriously one day. Gee, I hope nothing bad happened to it.

Cats are vicious predators. I had a few cats get into my dads chicken coop and killer every single bird we had. We took care of those with a model 94 winchester 30-30.

Then there was the time two cats killed our ducks and 14 ducklings.

Yea, cats are so cute. Give me a dog anyday.

Deviant++

24 Jan 2005, 18:30

THATS CALLED NATURAL CYCLE OF EXISTENCE.

HUMANS KILLING ANIMALS ARE NOT NATURAL. !!!!

If we went about killing every animal that hurt us, how different are we from any other dumb animal.

MAN I can't believe people still think like this in the 21st century. GOD. !!
There's a reason why they put away cats somewhere in a home or just away from where they can do harm!! YOU DONT JUST GO KILLING ANIMALS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!

I've had 42 cats, 20 dogs and hundreds of birds total since I was a kid and cats HAVE killed equally numerous creatures as dogs have, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK DOGS DONT KILL EITHER. THATS WHY PEOPLE TRAIN ANIMALS. !!!!! WE TRAINED THEM. AND THE WILD ONES WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WILD. NATURAL LAW ! YOU CANNOT GO KILLING ANIMALS LIKE THAT MY GOD!!!!!!! KANGAROOS IN AUSTRAIA, CATS in urban cities and DOGS IN CENTRAL ASIA ???

GOD I hope you people find peace one day. Where I come from, killing a dumb hungry creature which killed another means no more than that person is no different from any other inhuman creature. Period. Thats why we have brains and education for crying out loud.

If you saw the amount of misery small animals have to go through because of people .. :angry: who think they're bigger than natural selection, and people like me and my family have to work hours to nurse those same animals back to health....it's not funny. In this case you can't fight fire with fire.. period. I'm ashamed at how people respect little of the world they live in.

Full grown adults acting like utter immature asses. Behind all their 'guns' and 'car'... I often wonder what kind of upbringing people have to have to love a piece of metal more than a creature of living flesh and blood.

Adrenelene is one thing, losing control of the mind is another.

mholtum

24 Jan 2005, 18:38

THATS CALLED NATURAL CYCLE OF EXISTENCE.

HUMANS KILLING ANIMALS ARE NOT NATURAL. !!!!

If we went about killing every animal that hurt us, how different are we from any other dumb animal.

MAN I can't believe people still think like this in the 21st century. GOD. !!
There's a reason why they put away cats somewhere in a home or just away from where they can do harm!! YOU DONT JUST GO KILLING ANIMALS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!

I've had 42 cats total since I was a kid and they've killed equally numerous creatures but WE TRAINED THEM. WE TRAINED THEM. YOU CANNOT GO KILLING ANIMALS LIKE THAT MY GOD!!!!!!! KANGAROOS IN AUSTRAIA, CATS in urban cities and DOGS IN CENTRAL ASIA ???

GOD I hope you people find peace one day. Where I come from, killing a dumb hungry creature which killed another means no more than that person is no different from any other inhuman creature. Period. Thats why we have brains and education for crying out loud.

If you saw the amount of misery small animals have to go through because of people like you.. :angry: who think your bigger than natural selection, and people like me and my family have to work hours to nurse those same animals back to health....it's not funny. In this case you can't fight fire with fire.. period. I'm ashamed at how people respect little of the world they live in.
Who said anything about an urban city?

You need to get off your soap box. I have found peace., I grew up on a farm were coyotes killed cattle, etc. You are so far off it is frightning. It is called protecting your lively hood. Get over yourself.

Humans killing animals is not natuaral? Where are you from? You ever eat a hamberger, chicken dinner, etc? Or are they not animals? If you want to get technical humans are mamals too.. Oh wait you say that in your next sentance.. LOL

So one second you say that cats hunting is natural and you should lock them away, and then you state you trained them. So you trained the hunter right out of them huh?

Yea I believe that.. NOT.

Deviant++

24 Jan 2005, 19:07

FYI, I'm from North eastern India.. where tigers roam free ? Elephants ? snakes? heyenas ? foxes ? perhaps if you havn't heard ? Tropical rainforests with significant animal population maybe ? You think coyotes killing cattle is that bad ?..try pythons wrapping sheep :roll: and neither do we consume bovine creatures because killing the dumb because they are dumb means nothing more than we are dumb. If you find that offensive then I'd suggest you get over yourself. Logic is logic, life is life. And dear sir, you have no idea of the definition of peace. If you did, then you'd know the 1st step towards attaining peace is to attain peace with the environment and its elements. Not earn a profit out of it.

Humans are sentient beings, they operate on a higher level of INTELLIGENCE. ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY WE ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER MAMMAL ?

I have eaten hamburgers, I have had chicken dinner, and yes, we even had a hencoup, cattle milking stands and even a swan pond right under our homes.

But at the same time WE HAD CATS , DOGS AND PREYING BIRDS. The animals under our care are our responsibility. We've had cat attacks and dog attacks. Not once did we kill a SINGLE ONE.

Read the statement carefully. We've had cat attacks. ! But 3 months down the lane, those same cats were our pets. How ? Natural law again, give any animal it's satisfactory objective aslong as long as it's capable of having a history to be domesticated, it can be done. We FED THOSE CATS. WE FED THOSE CATS SO FAT THEY WERE SPOILT ROTTEN TILL THE POINT THEY STARTED PLAYING WITH THE BIRDS ! Don't believe me ? pity I didn't have a digicam to take a picture of thoes cats frolicking with some of those birds..

Cats are proud creatures, treat them with pride and they will live a life of pride to serve the same who treat them. Dogs on the other hand are dependent or totally wild. Cats ALWAYS have a side that can be domesticated to ones benefit.

It's a different story you've never even tried that in your life, but then again..I wouldn't expect any traditional east Indian to walk up and explain natural selection to everyone.

All I'm saying is they're simply animals each with their qualities. One can achieve much more when living in harmony with them than rather fighting them. All they want is food, thats all they want. simple.

I know what it's like to lose the animals one raises since their birth, we just kept a tighter watch over everything because we dont believe in killing a dumb creature for being accord to their own nature. I'm not trying o start a fight, I'm just saying hunting animals suffer too. Thats all.

mholtum

24 Jan 2005, 22:45

I have no issue with your beliefs. What you believe is fine. But, you have no right to tell me that my beliefs are wrong simply because they are different than yours.

If you want to make a pet out of something that slaughters your livestock, have at it. I would rather protect what is mine how I see fit.

Jolten

24 Jan 2005, 23:24

Cats are good eatin' .. taste like chicken.. yum yum.

Revan

25 Jan 2005, 06:33

Cats are good eatin' .. taste like chicken.. yum yum.You better hope you never meet me in a dark alley... because that there... gah I cant even find words for it. To put it mildly, that comment pissed me off royally.

And I suppose since cats are such evil evil evil predators, then the battle dogs, pitbulls and other dogs that attack, bite and possibly even kill HUMANS are just what, posessed by a cat spirit?
"But but but! It's all about the dog's race!!!!!!!"
Yeah, and then again I have never seen a cat kill a human, regardless of their race. Sure, I have heard of cats attacking humans, but they generally speaking have something causing them extreme pain, thus making them crazed.

So yeah, I can understand people wanting to have a pet that kills their 3 year old sons instead of the pet that killed their heartless neighbour's $2,500 parrot.
[/sarcasm]

I have a soft spot for cats, I love them. And whenever someone speaks of hurting a cat, it makes all my internal LED lights flash, and urge to kill rising...
And no, this is not an exaggeration.
To to slightly off topic, but as an explanation to the last sentence there: I find it much worse to kill an animal that can't really do much to defend itself (because most cats don't really expect you to come at them wanting to kill them), than to kill heartless humans who can do every bit to defend themselves.

This topic is just pissing me off and depressing me...
//out

lasto

25 Jan 2005, 07:53

Deviant++

25 Jan 2005, 15:00

wow getting upset over a cat - wots world coming to - do u cry everytime u go out and stand on an insect - Its a living thing aint it - just not as big as a cat ? So dont come all rightgous on here cause everyone of us is a killer whether we like it or not.
I hate cats myself - dont have time for em - wheras my bro is a soft git and loves em to bits.Im a dog person myself as a dog attaches itself to a person whereas a cat attaches itself to its surrounding.

why is your neighbout heartless if they kill your cat cause it killed their parrot ? - Law of the Jungle rules apply here - Revenge Time

Who said anything about killing anything in sight..
There's a word called 'sentient' if you didn't know... Cats and dogs aswell as humans are in that category, insects are not. Insects don't love, insects cannot love. There's a difference between killing an animal and an insect.

Neither are insects 'pets' , they can be captured and kep they will never BE pets. CATS AND DOGS CAN.

So tell me, you like dogs..suppsoe I like cats...you hate cats, I hate dogs, I shot your dog cause he ate up a bundle of 1000$'s I had on the table..how would you feel...

Angry ?
Sad ?
Hysteric..

Well thats exactly how I'd feel if u killed my cat..

Just because you like something dosn't give you the right to hate something without basis. Neither does it give you the right to decide wether it should live or not. Period. THATS NATURAL LAW BECAUSE WE. as HUMANS are sentient beings. THATS THE REASON WHY we evolved.