[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by Chadi

Greetings all,

I never visit the feedback forum, but I'm sure the site's design has been chatted about ample. However, something popped up in my mind that I'm not sure others mentioned before.

This forum's motto "The Official vBulletin Modifications Site." Yet, it has not been upgraded to the official version of the company's forum software for years (yes, years) and the design is antiquated.

My question is, what excuse does the company have? It makes them look rather unprofessional compared to any other forum company out there like Lithium, Xenforo, etc (even open source ones that are not-for-profit).

This actually even concerns me about the future of their quality and even this forum. From a business perspective, there is no legitimate excuse to showcase a version of your forum that is several years old.

I do recall about 4 or so years ago having a discussion regarding the design of this site and all, and I think a mod even mentioned that its not "official" VB company owned site? I find that hard to believe since the license system is linked to them. Maybe its my misunderstanding.

What do you all think?

Thanks in advance.

Why doesn't the site in your signature run VB4?

[setishock]

@vbenhancer
No, 24oz MONSTERS. Two at a time.

--------------- Added 30 Mar 2012 at 17:34 ---------------

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Why doesn't the site in your signature run VB4?

Touche'

[Chadi]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Why doesn't the site in your signature run VB4?

I'm a customer, not the company or someone representing the company. So your question is not relevant to my point.

I already have plans to upgrade with a custom made skin, but have been held back for almost a year due to personal matters that hindered my plans.

That's why its not running vb4.

Its interesting how everyone seems to gang up on me when I simply shared "feedback" and asked legitimate questions. And Paul, no I'm not "ranting". Its called feedback.

[Pandemikk]

Greetings All,

I believe the reason .org hasn't upgraded is because the amount of customizing done for this site. Why spend all those hours upgrading the code to vB4 when the community has grown to love .org for how it is now? People often forget that vb.org is not ran by the corporate heads at vbulletin.com. This site is mostly ran by volunteers.

In fact, if vB.org was ever forced to upgrade I'm sure there would be plenty of backlash.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Chadi

I already have plans to upgrade with a custom made skin, but have been held back for almost a year due to personal matters that hindered my plans.

That's why its not running vb4.

I will never, ever, go to v4. Ever.

[Pandemikk]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

I will never, ever, go to v4. Ever.

Don't knock it till you try it. vB4 rocks.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Pandemikk

Don't knock it till you try it. vB4 rocks.

I have tried it, I spend quite a bit of volunteer time helping people with their v4, and it sucks. Hard. I don't know anyone who has it that doesn't wish they could revert.

Is that your site in your sig? Look how slow it is. This is a hallmark of v4:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/120330_SF_3SJ57/

And it's complete with a couple of 404 errors as well:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/12...J57/1/details/

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Chadi

I'm a customer, not the company or someone representing the company. So your question is not relevant to my point.

vbulletin.org is not "the company" or representing it. The question is as valid (or invalid) as yours.

Originally Posted by Chadi

Its interesting how everyone seems to gang up on me when I simply shared "feedback" and asked legitimate questions. And Paul, no I'm not "ranting". Its called feedback.

You asked loaded questions, for example "My question is, what excuse does the company have?". As I already told you, "the company" doesnt need an excuse.

Originally Posted by Chadi

And Paul, no I'm not "ranting". Its called feedback.

Symantics. A rant might be feedback, its still a rant.

[vbenhancer]

yeah, we gang up on you... sure, we call this a community... a gang where everybody is on a biased side...

btw, i'm their leader, Paul M is the guy who use the whip...

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by Chadi

I'm a customer, not the company or someone representing the company. So your question is not relevant to my point.

I already have plans to upgrade with a custom made skin, but have been held back for almost a year due to personal matters that hindered my plans.

That's why its not running vb4.

Its interesting how everyone seems to gang up on me when I simply shared "feedback" and asked legitimate questions. And Paul, no I'm not "ranting". Its called feedback.

I am not ganging up, I asked you because I felt your answer my be relevant to our own reasons for not upgrading.

vBulletin.org is run by volunteers and should not be thought of as the official vBulletin website. vBulletin.com is the official site and as such is always running the very latest versions.

[blind-eddie]

Feed back Gone Wild.... always a good read.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

I have tried it, I spend quite a bit of volunteer time helping people with their v4, and it sucks. Hard. I don't know anyone who has it that doesn't wish they could revert.

Is that your site in your sig? Look how slow it is. This is a hallmark of v4:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/120330_SF_3SJ57/

And it's complete with a couple of 404 errors as well:

http://www.webpagetest.org/result/12...J57/1/details/

This is WAY off topic, but..

I've seen those tests used as an argument against vB4 before, but you can't use that as a test for vB4. That is a test for individual site performance and has nothing to do with vB4 itself.

If it were a test for vB4, my results would be near the same and they aren't.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/120330_QW_3SJSF/

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by nhawk

This is WAY off topic, but..

I've seen those tests used as an argument against vB4 before, but you can't use that as a test for vB4. That is a test for individual site performance and has nothing to do with vB4 itself.

If it were a test for vB4, my results would be near the same and they aren't.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/120330_QW_3SJSF/

This is after you did ALOT of work to get that type of result.

The other one tested is pretty much out of the box, not alot of work done.

Apples/Oranges and the point is, you HAD to do alot of work on the junk v4 to get decent results.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

This is after you did ALOT of work to get that type of result.

The other one tested is pretty much out of the box, not alot of work done.

Apples/Oranges and the point is, you HAD to do alot of work on the junk v4 to get decent results.

The only work I did was to properly set up my server. I did no work to vBulletin itself. Upgrades are painless for me because all of the vB code is original and untouched.

EDIT: Except for promotions.php.. that has a stupid line in the query that supposedly saves processor time and I remove it after each upgrade to allow for moving members that haven't completed the email activation to a different usergroup after 30 days.

[vbenhancer]

Originally Posted by nhawk

EDIT: Except for promotions.php.. that has a stupid line in the query that supposedly saves processor time and I remove it after each upgrade to allow for moving members that haven't completed the email activation to a different usergroup after 30 days.

actually, there is not a single code that would save processors or server resources... vBulletin is coded to do just that, use the best of the code and features to make server-safe transactions and processes... if you go further in trying to enhance it, you break the process...

so any suggestion to make the code better is just moronish grace... if there is a way to help, vBulletin is upgraded to fix that possibility already... no need to download a hack for that.