Register Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

View Poll Results: Vbulletin.org's atomosphere?
I love it and wouldn't change it for a thing. 9 18.37%
It's good, however, some changes can be made. 23 46.94%
Criticism and/or attitude is a major issue. 15 30.61%
It needs major improvement 2 4.08%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 02:16
Gio~Logist's Avatar
Gio~Logist Gio~Logist is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Francisco
Real name: Giovanni Martinez
Vbulletin Atmosphere - Good or Bad?

I remember when i first came here everything was all about making hacks and getting installs, and just being happy about that. Support was given a lot, people were happy IMO. However, i've noticed that things are beggining to change. People seem more concerned with arguing and looking good in front of their fellow members. It seems that people are beggining to pride themselves on being able to make others feel like crap. I myself have never been a victim of these acts, however, i have been a witness on several occasions.

You have moderators like Boofo and ChrisM (just some examples) who bring a nice atmosphere and joy to the forums. They are constantly trying to brighten things up and do a good job. However, it is obvious that they cannot do it by themselves.

In the past day i have seen members getting criticized badly and teased because their designs aren't "the best on the internet". I suppose that everyone starts off being a great designer these days? I think not. I have also seen a member post about hosting, and get posts about how bad his layout is and/or criticism that is completely off the topic.

The point is, everyone complains that people are being cruel and mean and that coders aren't being supportive. Ask yourself this, "Who would want to be supportive in a community of people that do nothing but criticize and make fun of all day?" People ask "Why is everyone so 'mean' and alwats criticizing one another?" Perhaps because it's a new epedemic and everyone feels that they should fit in?

Bottom line, a lot of people come here for support. They come here to seek solutions to their problems and not to get more problems along the way. If they post a skin and you don't like it, then don't download it or criticize. If you do want to say something, try constructive criticism perhaps? If someone posts asking for help with something, don't go calling them stupid or being ignorant and immature and causing more problems or criticising one's site.

I've seen everyone say that they want more support, less complaining, less criticism. The moderators and coders can't do this alone, the members themselves are the majority (everyone included). If you want a better community, try and be a better person every now and then.

I hardly have time to come here due to the fact that i am always working. However, when i came here to stop by and actually look over some posts today to see how things were, i just figured a thread like this was needed perhaps. This is simply a forum and i do not spend much time here atm, however, for those that do (and even for those who don't) maybe we should work on a few things as far as our attitudes are concerned. If i took 5 minutes out of my hectic schedule to write this, i'm sure others can do the same.
Giovanni Martinez

I just posted this thread and already have about 10 people viewing three seconds later, lets hope it's for the best
__________________
ModernvB.com - vBulletin Mods & Services - ModernvB.com vBulletin 3 Mods - ModernvB.com vBulletin 4 Mods - Hire ProvB
Full-Time vB Development
Our products are now available on vB4!

Last edited by Gio~Logist : 06 Jan 2006 at 02:19. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 02:19
ChuckH's Avatar
ChuckH ChuckH is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Personally, I use the golden rule when it comes to posting. Also, I try to act like I would if I were sitting across a table from you, instead of behind a keyboard.

I wish more people acted the same way.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 02:20
Erwin's Avatar
Erwin Erwin is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Good post. A community is made up of its members. It's up to all of us to make this place what it is. Remember, most of the staff here (myself included) are volunteers, and do it because they want to make this community better. We can all be part of this.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 02:23
nexialys
Guest
 
my 2 is that there is more and more members here, and when the croud is too heavy, things can happen that escape the guys in charge... that's what goes in actually... some flamings are not controled because not all the discussions can be moderated - we're not in jail!

and people always complain when they want to have better... example, hundreds complain about the non-upgrade to 3.5.x ... they just have to admin their own board if they are not happy here (my 5) ...

i'm not 100% ethical all the times, maybe i'm overpassing my level of membership by asking people to read the forum descriptions, etc... but if i'd be a moderator or a PR here, i would act differently... i'm just a user/member, not in a responsible level,... and that, maybe most of the people don't remember that... the guys upthere are sometime stressed to hell because of members that never understand things...

anyway... my 2 is large tonight!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 02:48
Gio~Logist's Avatar
Gio~Logist Gio~Logist is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Francisco
Real name: Giovanni Martinez
Hehe. I am glad that you put in your 2 in (plus tax) It is true, the moderators cannot see everything that goes on, it is simply impossible. Somethings just have to be left to the members.
__________________
ModernvB.com - vBulletin Mods & Services - ModernvB.com vBulletin 3 Mods - ModernvB.com vBulletin 4 Mods - Hire ProvB
Full-Time vB Development
Our products are now available on vB4!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 13:43
Princeton's Avatar
Princeton Princeton is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Real name: Joe Velez
I agree some of these posts are not helpful to members (especially newbies).
This is probably due to the fact that the posters want to increase post count.
If they have nothing productive to say what do you think the alternative is when their goal is to increase post count?

With a growing population you need a growing staff. The staff number here is just not enough.
__________________
Latest Articles:
Liquid Layout = Less Ad Revenue?
How to Monetize Your Site
Improve Web Page Performance
How To Write For The Web


If it needs instructions, there's room for improvement.
Give users what they actually want, not what they say they want. And whatever you do, don't give them new features just because your competitors have them!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 14:41
fusiongoddess fusiongoddess is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Real name: Tiffany
Great post Gio, I completely agree with you.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 18:40
peterska2 peterska2 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Real name: Kerry-Anne (really!)
IMO, The atmosphere on the whole is good but there are a few lettle nigglely things that really get up my nose. Mind you these are nearly all things that are against the site rules.
__________________
Kerry-Anne
Previously known as peterska2

My Sites: peterska2.co.uk Super Clickers World News Zone English Football League Popular Usenet Groups
Do NOT PM or email me for Support or Modification Requests - No Exceptions!!
I do NOT do custom requests. Do not ask for them. - No Exceptions!!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06 Jan 2006, 19:03
Borgs8472 Borgs8472 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Originally Posted by princeton
The staff number here is just not enough.
Absolutely. There are so many newbie questions that need answering here, relative newbie mods are needed to cover them all IMO.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 14:29
Gio~Logist's Avatar
Gio~Logist Gio~Logist is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Francisco
Real name: Giovanni Martinez
So far i agree with most of the people that have commented. The staff here is a tad bit less than is needed. Also, people that are new to this site (also known as "newbies") should have their questions answered.

Keep the feedback comming guys.
__________________
ModernvB.com - vBulletin Mods & Services - ModernvB.com vBulletin 3 Mods - ModernvB.com vBulletin 4 Mods - Hire ProvB
Full-Time vB Development
Our products are now available on vB4!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 14:39
Corriewf's Avatar
Corriewf Corriewf is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Originally Posted by gio~logist
So far i agree with most of the people that have commented. The staff here is a tad bit less than is needed. Also, people that are new to this site (also known as "newbies") should have their questions answered.

Keep the feedback comming guys.

How would more staff help resolve questions not being answered?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 14:47
Marky's Avatar
Marky Marky is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
I like the community here, you all seem like good people lol
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 14:55
Gio~Logist's Avatar
Gio~Logist Gio~Logist is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San Francisco
Real name: Giovanni Martinez
Originally Posted by Corriewf
How would more staff help resolve questions not being answered?
Those are two different things lol. I wasn't saying that they're in any way related.
__________________
ModernvB.com - vBulletin Mods & Services - ModernvB.com vBulletin 3 Mods - ModernvB.com vBulletin 4 Mods - Hire ProvB
Full-Time vB Development
Our products are now available on vB4!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 14:57
nexialys
Guest
 
btw, it can be related... if we have more staff, let's say we have a guy for the PR, he/she will be there to answer default/basic questions made by the new visitors... usually, newbies are always asking the same questions anyway... if we have a dedicated PR guy, the other guys from the staff will only have to focus on their own part of the site...

anyway, this is a structured way to do... not always what is taken into consideration!
(i hate when people say "we already have something working on that" ... robots!)
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07 Jan 2006, 15:01
Corriewf's Avatar
Corriewf Corriewf is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Originally Posted by nexialys
anyway, this is a structured way to do... not always what is taken into consideration!
(i hate when people say "we already have something working on that" ... robots!)

That is because they are bots...... This site hasnt been staffed by a human in years.... You all are in the matrix right now... :laugh:

I do agree that the staff have to feel bombarded as of late in Feedback.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
Forum Jump


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:06.

Layout Options | Width: Wide Color: