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Old 07 Oct 2008, 10:38
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CSS-only styles?

Hello.

Have anyone did CSS-only styles for VB? Styles with template changes are difficult to maintain and I that's why I would like to have a CSS-only style to ease future updates.
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Old 07 Oct 2008, 10:53
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Old 09 Oct 2008, 03:10
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It will certainly be a glorious day when it does happen though. I heard a rumor of vb4 being CSS driven instead of a billion embedded tables, but you know how that goes.
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Old 09 Oct 2008, 03:47
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I wouldn't get your hopes up to high.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 04:39
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I accept the challenge. I don't intend to remove ***every*** table - tables are for tabular data and certain parts of vbulletin are tabular in nature (thread and forum lists). But removing the layout tables can be done.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 04:50
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I accept the challenge. I don't intend to remove ***every*** table - tables are for tabular data and certain parts of vbulletin are tabular in nature (thread and forum lists). But removing the layout tables can be done.
While although a nice idea in theory, not all browsers support css rules properly so doing this would be impossible unless you maintained a large list of styles for each browser.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 05:00
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I will be doing 2 corrective sheets for the IE6 and IE7. Outside of that the browser must pass Acid 2. That's 99.9% of the browsers out there. Firefox 2 is the most common browser that doesn't fall into this group.

Browsers that don't support CSS properly need to die. If computing in general progressed with the same attitude that web sites have regarding old browsers we'd be seeing new software shackled to the capabilities of 486 computers running Windows 3.1 -- or worse Commodore 64's and Apple II's. There comes a time to die.

vBulletin's current default set supports browsers as old as Netscape 4 and IE 4. To be honest, that's a ridiculous amount of backward compatibility equivalent to a video game desinger making sure his newest game can run on a Playstation 1.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 05:10
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I still use and like Playstation 1. However, you have a point. I tried for ages to get my site to work on all browsers, and then eventually just gave up and started using wordpress.

I personally would say that I prefer the way phpBB or SMF does it with styles; storing the templates in the database means that a normal person like me who doesn't do XML can't make heads or tails of a theme before uploading it.
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Old 13 Jan 2009, 05:16
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Backwards support = limits. So far it's been tolerable since newer browsers can't do much that IE6 can't do.

Sometime next year though it's going to change due to two technologies about to hit final on spec. CSS 3 and HTML 5. HTML 5 alone in it's ability to allow embedded fonts and the <canvas> tag. The features in the two amount to the biggest jump since Netscape 1 to Netscape 2. There will be no workarounds - either your browser can handle them or it can't.

Hopefully they will form the bullet that finally kills IE 6
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 15:09
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I pray to god. I mean, even after going with the aforementioned solutions, I STILL couldn't get stuff to render right in IE6!
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