[gamerfu]

Originally Posted by smartkidbk5

Sorry I tried to read the posts but couldnt find a solid answer. I get how they are bundling it now, but...

Will I have to buy vB4 now? Even though I have a currently active license witch entitles me for free vB updates for 1 year?

Why does everyone keep saying "FREE"? It is not free udates for a year, it is a PAID subscription you have purchased for product updates for a year.

[hotwheels]

Is it just me or did vbulletin.org pull the announcement from the home page? To me, that was a pretty major announcement and people that have a paid license to even participate on this website should have the right to see that. Not have it hidden so people can't see the real vbulletin.com direction. Why is vbulletin.com and vbulletin.org trying to hide this announcement? The only thing that isn't for sure at this point is price, Ray morgan's decision has already been made at this point, you can buy vbulletin forums software, and a vbulletin suite (blogs, project tools, cms). Things are about to change quickly for many of us and it should have been left as an official announcement on the main home page. I realize that i don't pay for membership for vbulletin.org, but in order for me to participate here, i have to have proof that i am a licensed owner of vbulletin.com forum software.


And you are right gamerfu, it isn't free updates, we pay for the updates. Nothing is free with vbulletin.com. Only stuff that is free are mods from the great coders of this site. They are willing to share some of their hard work with us, so that many of us can have a very functional vbulletin forum.

Other members should seriously take the time and read the announcement over at vbulletin.com. I would put a link to the address but i am sure that paul will delete it, so that people can't start voicing their opinions to the new company that owns vbulletin.com.

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by hotwheels

Is it just me or did vbulletin.org pull the announcement from the home page?

The announcements on the front page are pulled from the News and Announcements forum. The announcement from Ray about vb and the suite are in the Official vB.com Announcements forum which doesn't get posted on the front page.

[hotwheels]

What? Didn't you see it on the front page? That is how i found the announcement. It had rays (vbulletin.com) announcement, a link to the announcement on vbulletin.com.....as well a a link to this post. I mean no disrespect, but that announcement was on the home page, and was there as an official announcement. I would put money on it that it was removed to help silence the anger towards the announcement.

Now it is gone and members will not know that vbulletin.com is about to take them to the bank. The link should still be shared for all to see.

[Lynne]

Originally Posted by hotwheels

What? Didn't you see it on the front page? That is how i found the announcement. It had rays (vbulletin.com) announcement, a link to the announcement on vbulletin.com.....as well a a link to this post. I mean no disrespect, but that announcement was on the home page, and was there as an official announcement. I would put money on it that it was removed to help silence the anger towards the announcement.

Now it is gone and members will not know that vbulletin.com is about to take them to the bank. The link should still be shared for all to see.

Yes, I saw it on the front page. Marco made a post a couple days ago about a problem with the rss feed and how things got out of order - that is when it got moved off the front page. I'm not gonna search out that post on dial-up.

If people want to read vb.com news, then they best place to get it is at vb.com. I'm pretty sure they don't come to vb.org just to get vb.com news.

[hotwheels]

It's all good, i deleted my blog system and all of the mod's i had installed with it. Sadly, i just found out i can't sell it, so i have to eat the $50.00 bucks i spent to purchase it. Hopefully though, the new vbulletin4.0 will be worth the wait and the extra money they are going to start charging us for it. Maybe a bunch of ajax options, that would be awesome.

[gamerfu]

does this mean vb.org is going to be disconnected from vb.com?

[HMBeaty]

Originally Posted by gamerfu

does this mean vb.org is going to be disconnected from vb.com?

No.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

The vB.org frontpage should show news and announcements of vBulletin.org.

Announcements from vB.com are duplicated into this forum, but vB.com is the place that publish them and it is their task to bring news under the attention of their customers. Filling our frontpage with the news of "another site" only pushes the vB.org announcements away from ou own frontpage.

Members can still read them, either in this forum or on vB.com.

[hotwheels]

What? 90% of the news that crosses the front page of vbulletin.org is from vbulletin.com. How do you think i always find out about the newest vbulletin software? Allot of times i see it here before i recieve it via email.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Then from now on you will need to:
- Read the news on vB.com
- Read the news in this sub-forum on vB.org
- or subscribe to 1 of these forums.

[hotwheels]

wowza, very sorry to get you upset. I was just commenting on past practices. I will, from now on wait for my email updates from vbulletin.com. It was however, nice to be able to just stop by here and see important updates/announcements.

[The Smoking Gun]

Trip Originally Posted by smartkidbk5

Sorry I tried to read the posts but couldnt find a solid answer. I get how they are bundling it now, but...

Will I have to buy vB4 now? Even though I have a currently active license witch entitles me for free vB updates for 1 year?

That seems to be the million dollar question. I don't believe anything official has been announced. From what I've read and pieced together it looks like if you want to upgrade to 4.0 you will have to shell out some cash. How much remains to be seen. Looks like vB is doing away w/the leased licenses too. Only offering an owned license in either "forum only" or "suite" (forum, tools, blog, CMS) form. Again, this is just what I've read and may not be at all true. But I think if you wanted to ride out 3.8.3 for awhile without upgrading to 4.0 you should be able to do so without any additional cost (imo).

I am no expert but, as mentioned previously, that clause to reserve the right to change any part of this agreement at their discretion, and with out notice, cannot apply to previous licensee's agreements, or the actual terms that were a condition at the time of purchase, so only new licenses, and possibly renewals of non owned licenses can be affected this way, but whatever the terms of the license was when purchased, must be honored for the entire period the license is valid, in this case, lifetime, with that in mind, should they decide to apply this to less than one year owned licenses, and those recently renewed annually for upgrades under the existing terms and conditions, if taken to court for a determination, they would stand little chance of winning or have much of a legal leg to stand on.

So if there are any attorneys out there that can either validate this or prove it wrong, please post so we all can make intelligent decisions and not waste money because a company takeover decided it wants more money for upgrades some are entitled to with out charge, just because they did not anticipate the state of economic affairs when starting this project nor how the competition has responded to this dissent in the vBulletin communities.
Making many less experienced forum developers, cautious about spending their money on this not knowing if it will be worth it as compared to the relatively cheaper and OS options out three with almost as many plug-ins, add-ons and features.

My four cents!
TSG!