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Dean C
02 Jun 2006, 23:17
Just an idea to throw off the top of my (already sleepy) head. A union for vB.org members, where the union would represent the general feelings of vB.org members and present those views to the staff. Should the union feel that it's proposals aren't being adequately considered, then strike action could be taken.

And just to clarify, it's an idea. I have no views on it as of yet.

Corriewf
02 Jun 2006, 23:21
I agree with your idea and nominate myself president........

What?


It is a good idea though! :) Considering we lost our liaison.

vBintense
02 Jun 2006, 23:21
Ya but who wants to be the first Hoffa ?

Corriewf
02 Jun 2006, 23:23
I already nominated myself.... Sorry.

Regs
02 Jun 2006, 23:23
This is getting tiring. Moronic even.

But just to clarify, it's just an idea. I have no views on it as of yet.

:rolleyes:

Good one.

Krahl
02 Jun 2006, 23:26
Would a loud groan suffice as a response? I mean, really, a union?

Corriewf
02 Jun 2006, 23:28
Would a loud groan suffice as a response? I mean, really, a union?


Those are the sounds of non paying union members..... We will even send you out little cards that you will have to get punched too.

MPDev
02 Jun 2006, 23:29
Can I be the enforcer? I have my own bat.

Boofo
02 Jun 2006, 23:31
Can I be the enforcer? I have my own bat.

I've got your back, buddy!

Krahl
03 Jun 2006, 00:29
Those are the sounds of non paying union members..... We will even send you out little cards that you will have to get punched too.

I can envision it.. union splinter groups and sub-groups.

"The Union" (tm) rep walks around with a "Vote Boofo!" sign. He posts things like "The .Org is your friend," "Trust the Org!" and has ketchup stains on his tshirt.

"The Anti-Union Union" (tm) rep walks up with his "Vote Princeton, he'll protect you!" sign. He posts anti-AmyKhar messages, whines about how the community could be much better with real customer service reps and has mustard stains on his tshirt.

"The WeUsedToBeUnionButHateThemNow Union" (tm) goes around spreading propoganda about all other unions. They delete and lock posts from "The Anti-Union" (tm) folks and change their sigs to "The WeUsedToBeUnionButHateThemNow Union" (tm) links. Oh yeah, and they have mayo stains on their tshirts.

Will the madness never end?!?!

Krahl

...starts the "Dancing Banana Union" (tm) because he can. :banana: Oh yeah, and has a banana stain on his tshirt.

Corriewf
03 Jun 2006, 00:30
Can I be the enforcer? I have my own bat.

Your a body builder so of course you can....

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 00:34
I can envision it.. union splinter groups and sub-groups.

"The Union" (tm) rep walks around with a "Vote Boofo!" sign. He posts things like "The .Org is your friend," "Trust the Org!" and has ketchup stains on his tshirt.

"The Anti-Union Union" (tm) rep walks up with his "Vote Princeton, he'll protect you!" sign. He posts anti-AmyKhar messages, whines about how the community could be much better with real customer service reps and has mustard stains on his tshirt.

"The WeUsedToBeUnionButHateThemNow Union" (tm) goes around spreading propoganda about all other unions. They delete and lock posts from "The Anti-Union" (tm) folks and change their sigs to "The WeUsedToBeUnionButHateThemNow Union" (tm) links. Oh yeah, and they have mayo stains on their tshirts.

Will the madness never end?!?!

Krahl

...starts the "Dancing Banana Union" (tm) because he can. :banana: Oh yeah, and has a banana stain on his tshirt.

Damn! I've been categorized and found out.

Corriewf
03 Jun 2006, 00:41
Damn! I've been categorized and found out.

Boofo, I have appointed you the "shotcaller", which means your job is to call out when we have had too many shots of alkeyhol!!

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 00:42
Boofo, I have appointed you the "shotcaller", which means your job is to call out when we have had too many shots of alkeyhol!!

It's waaayyyyy beyond that point now.

akanevsky
03 Jun 2006, 00:45
And what would be the point of the union? Sorry, I don't understand.

Corriewf
03 Jun 2006, 00:47
It's waaayyyyy beyond that point now.

An old man once told me ( not boofo btw ) that you should drink until shes pretty..... well she aint pretty yet.... :cool:

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 00:51
And sometimes there will never be enough to drink to accomplish that.

yinyang
03 Jun 2006, 00:56
if such a site does come around, the logical domain name is vbunion.com/.org. although we all would know it stands for vb union, we may get lots of people registering who are into remedies for sucking too much on the big toe, bunions, virtual bunions, etc.......

bun·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bnyn) n.
A painful, inflamed swelling of the bursa at the first joint of the big toe, characterized by enlargement of the joint and lateral displacement of the toe.

Krahl
03 Jun 2006, 00:57
LOL yinyang.

:banana: union sympathizer

Krahl

MPDev
03 Jun 2006, 02:20
I'm gonna start crankin' some skullz around here if anyone starts messin' with my boy Boofo. You mess with Boofo, you swim with the fishes. Coppish?

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 02:29
MPDev's the man!

Gio~Logist
03 Jun 2006, 02:37
I'm gonna start crankin' some skullz around here if anyone starts messin' with my boy Boofo. You mess with Boofo, you swim with the fishes. Coppish?

Lay off the steroids please ;)

Kihon Kata
03 Jun 2006, 03:14
LMAO Krahl!!! I laughed outloud on this. Are you one of these (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115536)? If not, I'll take the conservative nomination for that union

crankin' some skullzIt's crackin' skullz! Rip Paul (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060529/ap_en_mo/obit_gleason)

EasyTarget
03 Jun 2006, 03:21
"The Anti-Union Union" (tm) rep walks up with his "Vote Princeton, he'll protect you!" sign. He posts anti-AmyKhar messages, whines about how the community could be much better with real customer service reps and has mustard stains on his tshirt.ahah
clever.

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 03:25
LMAO Krahl!!! I laughed outloud on this. Are you one of these (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115536)? If not, I'll take the conservative nomination for that union

It's crackin' skullz! Rip Paul (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060529/ap_en_mo/obit_gleason)

MPDev doesn't crack anything, he only cranks and that is a lot more painful.

And your RIP Paul link isn't working, by the way.

Ntfu2
03 Jun 2006, 03:26
Man, and i thought it was one of these unions i could join and every one else does the work and i could get credit

:sad:


Serious note: I dont think its a good idea, its just another loop for members to jump thru

Gio~Logist
03 Jun 2006, 05:38
Just an idea to throw off the top of my (already sleepy) head. A union for vB.org members, where the union would represent the general feelings of vB.org members and present those views to the staff. Should the union feel that it's proposals aren't being adequately considered, then strike action could be taken.

And just to clarify, it's an idea. I have no views on it as of yet.

I'm just wondering how the union will be established and maintained. Hm.

Krahl
03 Jun 2006, 06:03
LMAO Krahl!!! I laughed outloud on this. Are you one of these (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115536)? If not, I'll take the conservative nomination for that union


LOL.. I easily COULD be but am not, no. In fact, I probably should be - it would make the days pass all that much more easily.

Kihon Kata for "DruNken AdmINs fOR FulL vB RIGhtS!! Union" (tm). I think you have it all locked up, but you gotta watch out for others muscling in on your dues man.

Man, and i thought it was one of these unions i could join and every one else does the work and i could get credit


You obviously do not "get" the concept then. Just borrow a sign with a slogan on it and hand it to the guy next to you then push him out in front. "Solidarity" and all that jazz... "we got 'yer back man!" :cool:

I'm just wondering how the union will be established and maintained. Hm.

Why, on the backs of the working man, of course! Er, I mean, the users.. yeah, that's it... the users.

;)

Krahl

Kihon Kata
03 Jun 2006, 06:12
LOL.. I easily COULD be but am not, no. In fact, I probably should be - it would make the days pass all that much more easily.

Kihon Kata for "DruNk AdmINs fOR FulL vB RIGhtS!!" (tm). I think you have it all locked up, but you gotta watch out for others muscling in on your dues man.KrahlLOL! that unoin post of yours should be POTM ;)

Krahl
03 Jun 2006, 06:14
LOL! that unoin post of yours should be POTM ;)

Sure, so says the leader of the "DruNken AdmINs fOR FulL vB RIGhtS!! Union" (tm). It'll never be taken seriously!

Er, I mean... of course you're right!

Krahl

Kihon Kata
03 Jun 2006, 06:17
Sure, so says the leader of the "DruNken AdmINs fOR FulL vB RIGhtS!! Union" (tm). It'll never be taken seriously!

Er, I mean... of course you're right!

Krahl
trademark that baby!

Zachariah
03 Jun 2006, 13:22
Unions were good in the 30's- 50's, but they are a waste of time in 2k.

There are enough government regulations now as it is w/o a mob (union) teamster hitting me in the head for their union dues.

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 13:27
There are enough government regulations now as it is w/o a mob (union) teamster hitting me in the head for their union dues.

I already apologized for that and we settled out of court. What more do you want? :cross-eyed:

MPDev
03 Jun 2006, 13:52
Psssst, Boofo; I'm confused, who do I give these cement shoes to?

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 13:55
Psssst, Boofo; I'm confused, who do I give these cement shoes to?

You can pretty much take your pick from anyone in this thread, as an example, if nothing else. I don't mind, really. :cross-eyed:

MPDev
03 Jun 2006, 13:58
I better call the guy over at the IPB Union, I'm going to need more cement.

Dean C
03 Jun 2006, 21:50
Ok after a little thought on the idea today, my idea is based purely on the principle that the current situation of members creating threads to propose things isn't done in a diplomatic way and has resorted to name-calling, thread closures, and discussions going round and round in circles with the same things being said again. How about a collection of vB.org users who can congregate, anyone can join the "group" (union as I first called it), and union members would elect a representative, and have a little meeting once a month to raise any concerns, and then the views could be presented to the staff in a sensible and democratic way :)

Boofo
03 Jun 2006, 21:51
That would be called a "liason", what Amy used to be.

Azhrialilu
03 Jun 2006, 21:57
I've got a better idea, why doesn't everyone just chill out for a week, take it easy, soak up the sun, have a joint if you smoke em, or a cigarette or a bottle of your favourite alcohol. but for chrissake shut up for five minutes <grin>

*awaits the flaming with a look that borders on tiredness*

*edited to add... I love you, Boofo, you know that ;) *

*another edit to add* I'm not referring to the conversation here in particular, more to all the constant +++++ing going back and forth all over vb.org the last few days :p *

kall
03 Jun 2006, 22:02
*returns from mad trip to Australia and looks around in bewilderment*

*hands Azh duty-free alcohol*

Harmony is the key. :)

Azhrialilu
03 Jun 2006, 22:03
*returns from mad trip to Australia and looks around in bewilderment*

*hands Azh duty-free alcohol*

Harmony is the key. :)

thank you darling, it's much needed.

Chris M
03 Jun 2006, 22:50
but for chrissake shut up for five minutes <grin>

I didn't know you cared so much :)

Chris

Azhrialilu
03 Jun 2006, 22:52
I love you madly, Chris... you know that :p

Chris M
03 Jun 2006, 22:53
I love you madly, Chris... you know that :p
Evidence!!!!!

Arghhhhhhh!!! *runs away*

Chris

Azhrialilu
03 Jun 2006, 22:55
Evidence!!!!!

Arghhhhhhh!!! *runs away*

Chris

You can't run fast enough. you're a crispy husk currently ,remember?

Chris M
03 Jun 2006, 22:55
My sunburnt body is running as fast as the tightening and peeling skin will allow!!! :p

Chris

Azhrialilu
03 Jun 2006, 22:57
So quite slowly then?

Chris M
03 Jun 2006, 22:57
Yes, and painfully :(

Chris

Dean C
04 Jun 2006, 09:45
That would be called a "liason", what Amy used to be.

Wrong. And to be honest she did a pretty useless job at that seems as no-one knew she held the position. My idea is to approach things from the other side with members having someone to negotiate with staff, not the other way around.

Also can we please keep the useless conversation out of this thread. I could really care less for your crisp sunburnt body Chris ;)

Boofo
04 Jun 2006, 10:29
Wrong. And to be honest she did a pretty useless job at that seems as no-one knew she held the position. My idea is to approach things from the other side with members having someone to negotiate with staff, not the other way around.

Also can we please keep the useless conversation out of this thread. I could really care less for your crisp sunburnt body Chris ;)

Dean, my man, you need to lighten up, buddy. I remember a time when you used to have some fun here. If there's anything I can do, PM me and we can catch up, sir. ;)

Dean C
04 Jun 2006, 10:39
Dean, my man, you need to lighten up, buddy. I remember a time when you used to have some fun here. If there's anything I can do, PM me and we can catch up, sir. ;)

That day passed when I was falsely accused of spreading propaganda for vBulletin's competitors by one of your superiors which led me to step down.

Boofo
04 Jun 2006, 10:43
That day passed when I was falsely accused of spreading propaganda for vBulletin's competitors by one of your superiors which led me to step down.

PM me and let's catch up. ;)

MJM
04 Jun 2006, 12:02
I guess you didn't hear about the new gizmo that pumps out code 24/7?
I thoink Kiers got one, by the way 3.6 is going.
WOW!

Boofo
04 Jun 2006, 12:06
I guess you didn't hear about the new gizmo that pumps out code 24/7?
I thoink Kiers got one, by the way 3.6 is going.
WOW!

It's gonna be sweet! The one time I will upgrade immediately instead of holding on the an RC release forever.

/me commends MJM on a nice segway. ;)

Ohiosweetheart
04 Jun 2006, 12:40
This is all so ridiculous. Unions/groups/whatever. Just CHILL OUT and give the new staff a chance to BE a staff.

GAWD I'm so tired of all the bickering, name-calling, demeaning, putting down, telling staff that the new staff members aren't good enough to be in their positions, blah blah BLAH!

.org used to be a fun place to long on to......... YOU constant fault-finders are the ones ruining it for the rest of us who just want to learn about vB, enhance our vB, and have fun in the process. Let the s*** die down for a little while would you PULEASE??

MJM
04 Jun 2006, 13:41
Ohiosweetheart
complaining about complaining makes me sad :(
Maybe add a couple smilies to cheer things up?

Personally I think it's great to see members here with the brains and guts to think things through.
Innovative thinking requires an open mind and a willingness to accept that many ideas are dead-end and down-right dumb.
Sometimes ideas can be presented and sound ridiculous, are put to the side, and some time later they become realized.

Ya gotta remember, every single one of us is travelling down uncharted roads, we'll make mistakes, and hopefully learn from others mistakes :)

Gotta go, but first ...

I'd like to extend a hearty kudos to everyone here who blazed the trails and showed what could be done with this awesome software.

You have certainly gained mine and thousands of others much deserved respect.
Couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks
Mark

Bubble #5
04 Jun 2006, 18:58
Should the union feel that it's proposals aren't being adequately considered, then strike action could be taken.
Don't know much about Unions eah? This would only work for vB employees, not product owners. And how exactly were you planning on going "on strike" - by not using their product (which you already paid for)? :confused: You would be better off starting something like a buyers group, where your members could buy the product at reduced (quanity) pricing and have extras included that vB doesn't offer their customers.

GAWD I'm so tired of all the bickering
I agree. How about some cottage cheese? :banana:

Dean C
04 Jun 2006, 19:26
Don't know much about Unions eah? This would only work for vB employees, not product owners. And how exactly were you planning on going "on strike" - by not using their product (which you already paid for)? :confused: You would be better off starting something like a buyers group, where your members could buy the product at reduced (quanity) pricing and have extras included that vB doesn't offer their customers.


I think I know a bit more about unions, than you do about reading a thread before commenting on it. Of course you wouldn't take strict action by not using your license, you'd do it by removing your work from here or other means. *sigh*

Bubble #5
04 Jun 2006, 19:47
you'd do it by removing your work from here or other means.
So you're going to delete every post that you've ever made from here? That sounds like a lot of work, and more of a punishment to the 'user' than to vB.org. And what are you going to do if they do meet your demands, repost all of those posts? :rolleyes: Yep, I can see vB buckling under that pressure real fast :bunny:

Don't get me wrong, I agree that more representation is needed, but until something realistic can be put down on paper, it's just a nice dream ;) A 'vB coders union' would make more sense...

Darat
04 Jun 2006, 20:49
I'll be the first scab - I like this place - I have no idea at all what all the bad blood is about, there are plenty of hacks and mods that are interesting and useful, I can get answers some of the time to vBulletin questions I have and no one stops me posting here.

It all seems fine to me.

Ohiosweetheart
04 Jun 2006, 21:04
Ohiosweetheart
complaining about complaining makes me sad :(
Maybe add a couple smilies to cheer things up?

Personally I think it's great to see members here with the brains and guts to think things through.
Innovative thinking requires an open mind and a willingness to accept that many ideas are dead-end and down-right dumb.
Sometimes ideas can be presented and sound ridiculous, are put to the side, and some time later they become realized.

Ya gotta remember, every single one of us is travelling down uncharted roads, we'll make mistakes, and hopefully learn from others mistakes :)

Gotta go, but first ...

I'd like to extend a hearty kudos to everyone here who blazed the trails and showed what could be done with this awesome software.

You have certainly gained mine and thousands of others much deserved respect.
Couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks
Mark

thank you... but I stand by my statement ;) :cool:

Dean C
04 Jun 2006, 21:54
So you're going to delete every post that you've ever made from here? That sounds like a lot of work, and more of a punishment to the 'user' than to vB.org. And what are you going to do if they do meet your demands, repost all of those posts? :rolleyes: Yep, I can see vB buckling under that pressure real fast :bunny:


A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors (I use that word reluctantly) something to think about.


Don't get me wrong, I agree that more representation is needed, but until something realistic can be put down on paper, it's just a nice dream ;) A 'vB coders union' would make more sense...

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The general user on this site really has no complaints, it's the people who share their work that do as has been made clear in the last few weeks. And I don't think the staff is in any position to liaison via one person to 50+ people who contribute, it should be entirely the other way around with one union trying to represent the coders to the few staff.

Darat
04 Jun 2006, 22:07
A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors (I use that word reluctantly) something to think about.


Why? I'm sure more members would just add more content. I know there are several mods I have created that I could have posted but other people have already posted the same or very similar mods.



That's exactly what I'm talking about. The general user on this site really has no complaints, it's the people who share their work that do as has been made clear in the last few weeks. And I don't think the staff is in any position to liaison via one person to 50+ people who contribute, it should be entirely the other way around with one union trying to represent the coders to the few staff.

Or what about - if you don't like this site send one PM with your constructive criticism and all your suggestions on how they can be resolved in a PM to an Admin and if they don't respond how you'd like set your own site up just as you want it to be?

I know I probably sound sarcastic but I am being quite serious.

Bubble #5
04 Jun 2006, 22:10
A large group of people removing their modifications would give the superiors something to think about.
Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure more members would just add more content.
One or two average coders will not sustain this site. Not for very long anyway.

Or what about - if you don't like this site send one PM with your constructive criticism and all your suggestions on how they can be resolved in a PM to an Admin and if they don't respond how you'd like set your own site up just as you want it to be
I'm pretty sure that over the years this has already been attempted many times. They've been there, tried that and I don't think they want the T-shirt. Hence this thread :bunny:

Dean C
04 Jun 2006, 22:21
Only in hindsight. It would hurt the members first, and then after a few months they wouldn't come here, and THAT is what would then hurt vB. You would need to organize before this had any real effect. First start a site where all the coders could post their mods once they removed them from here (hasn't this been done before?). Then the members won't get hurt as much, but how would you contact the members and let them know about the new site? But all of this only gives you some leverage. It doesn't make you a union per se. The coders have every right to organize and do what's in their best interest. Doing it in a fashion that won't turn the members against you is going to be the hardest step. These things take time.[/QUOTE]

You think that the coders here want to destroy this site? If it wasn't for this site I probably would have never ended up at university and I probably never would have learned how to program. I have a strong affinity for this site and I've earned a hell of a lot of money for a young man as a result of my earlier years here. I want what's best for vBulletin.org, but as it stands there has been a lot of unrest and the fire's have been put out by promoting those who were there starting them in the first place. Now I disagree with a lot of things on this site as it stands and I think people still do too. So that is why I proposed this idea of a union, where members could gather their ideas and propose them to staff instead of having these long, dull, monotonous threads of name-calling, only for a couple of the staff to come in and try and calm things down by mocking themselves.

There are serious issues here that need to be discussed in a diplomatic manner, and I honestly feel that having some form of representation as a whole would strongly benefit the members here who want to fight for change.

Darat
04 Jun 2006, 22:27
...snip...
One or two average coders will not sustain this site. Not for very long anyway.


Why would it be one or two or only average? Since we are talking unions here market theory would say when that increasing demand will be met with increasing supply... ;)


.
I'm pretty sure that over the years this has already been attempted many times. They've been there, tried that and I don't think they want the T-shirt. Hence this thread :bunny:

So that's been tried and those sites didn't work, they failed? If so then it would indicate that their ideas about how the site should be run were wrong. Godd job then that vBulletin.org didn't listen to that advice!