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vBnoindex - Auto hide thin / shallow content from Google and avoid the Panda penalty!
by Dave Hybrid
18 Dec 2011 18:20

Increase SEO, traffic, time on site and page views per visit!

This mod will add the meta noindex tag to threads with a word count equal or below the setting you specify.

The Theory:

If you pay any attention to Google these days you will have heard of the 'Panda' updates that were let lose at the start of 2011. In leymans terms Google believes it has come up with a better way to detect spam or content farms (this seems to include big forums with lots of content). Google has automated the detection process and every 4 weeks or so they run the system, the web is crawled and the winners get higher traffic and the losers lose upto 80% or theirs.

Although it is not known exactly how to avoid 'Panda' there are some things that most top SEO's are starting to say. The main two things seem to be thin or shallow content and low user engagement, so poor page views per visit or poor time spent per visit. The two actually come hand in hand, fix one and you fix the other.

Most vBulletin forums have tons of content, pages and pages of threads, some long, some thin. Now although not all thin pages are bad, most dont hold a user for more than a few seconds, most do not encourage a user to register or reply, they are mostly low value. If you have a high ratio of these pages, compared to quality, lengthy, high engagement pages then you will eventually be hit by panda and lose upto 80% of your traffic. So 500 thin introduction type threads can cause your 50 10,000 word PHD articles to tank in the rankings, for example.

The MOD:

This MOD lets you set a minimum thread word count, the noindex meta tag will then be placed into any thread having this many words or below, thus stopping Google from crawling the page. This will show google that all your content is lengthy and any visits from Google search to the lengthy pages still being crawled and indexed with have high engagement metrics, making you more appealing to Google's algorithm further.

It's a crude way of doing things, but the only other option to large forum owners is to rewrite 1,000's of threads or manually inspect them and block accordingly. You'd be doing so for years to come.

The Install:

1- Import the package.
2- Set min word count in options>thread display options (showthread)

What word count setting do I use?

This depends on the forum. For example I have a 20k thread forum, that had lost 80% of it's traffic overnight, since june. I started at 50 words, then 100, now upto 200 to start seeing a recovery. So i hide all threads with 200 words or less from Google. All this means is by setting this at 200 i hide enough content to swing the balance, ie; the bad now doesn't outweigh the good.

If you have 1000 threads, and just 5 are below say 1000 words, you will probably never be hit by Panda anyway, because your content is long and engages users for many minutes.

Start low and increase the setting until you see you traffic increase or recover, it sounds insane to block content to increase traffic but it is about hiding the bad that is dragging the good down. It is no longer ok to let Google decide what to rank and what to sink, they want YOU to put your best stuff in the shop windows and lock the rest in the basement, hidden from customers.

Why is this MOD for owners not hit by Panda also?


By hiding your thin content, people will not be able to find it via Google search, this means they will only find your long in depth pages when coming from Google. So yes, you may lose 5% of your visits short term (Google wont be sending much to these pages anyway) but long term your time on site and pages per visit will increase and you longer, more popular threads and thus site overall will be rewarded.

I think ive explained things as best I can. There is a linkback in the package, this MOD could save your site from extinction so its a big deal and I gotta pay the bills. If you must remove it by whatever means then go ahead but I wont be offering any support if you do.

Based on the nature of playing with Googles algorithm I will say I make no guarantees and this is at your own risk, if you are not well versed on SEO then I would avoid using this MOD or get the advice of a experienced friend.

-Hybrid

universosymbian 18 Dec 2011 20:34

Is Compatible Vbseo?

Many keywords should be put?

I HAVE A FORUM WITH 70 THOUSAND THREADS

DEFAULT GETS 50

THANKS

Dave Hybrid 18 Dec 2011 21:58

Not sure i understand the keywords bit, this has nothing to do with keywords.

Yes, works fine with vbseo. I'd imagine with 70,000 threads you have lots of thin threads (no offence)

So yes, set at 50 words and see if your page views per vist/time on site improve over the next few weeks.

TBH threads with 50 words are normally pretty empty, id probably go higher.

fragov 19 Dec 2011 07:03

Dave, so it just hide all thin threads. Is there way to find them on forum? Or can this mod show me list of thin threads?

Dave Hybrid 19 Dec 2011 10:15

This mod will add the meta noindex tag to threads with a word count equal or below the setting you specify.

That is all.

Thanks.

universosymbian 19 Dec 2011 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2278952)
Not sure i understand the keywords bit, this has nothing to do with keywords.

Yes, works fine with vbseo. I'd imagine with 70,000 threads you have lots of thin threads (no offence)

So yes, set at 50 words and see if your page views per vist/time on site improve over the next few weeks.

TBH threads with 50 words are normally pretty empty, id probably go higher.

I leave it in 50 words for my site?

google analytics, I have much bounce

71.64%
Bounce Rate

00:02:43
Avg. Time on Site

68.02%
% New Visits



thanks

Dave Hybrid 19 Dec 2011 14:48

It's trial and error, i cannot say what is best for you. Every website will be different.

As I said in my article, if you dont understand what this MOD does, then its best not to use it.

universosymbian 19 Dec 2011 16:20

spend a few weeks when I comment how will this mod

thank you very much

cykelmyggen 19 Dec 2011 18:18

Sounds reasonable and promising - I'll give it a run and see if it could bring me up the ladder ;-)

Dave Hybrid 20 Dec 2011 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykelmyggen (Post 2279149)
Sounds reasonable and promising - I'll give it a run and see if it could bring me up the ladder ;-)

Glad you find it usefull.

Manoel Júnior 21 Dec 2011 21:56

Installed! I tested!

Dave Hybrid 22 Dec 2011 10:29

Got a couple of new features to add this week.

Noindex,follow category pagination ie pages 2-xx.

Other than page 1 these do not need to be indexed.

kingMOB 22 Dec 2011 13:49

Hi Dave,

what happens when a thread that was previously marked by the plugin grows above the min word count? The noindex meta tag is removed from it?

Is there a way to add a delay to the plugin action, so newly created threads can be indexed and just audited by the plugin, let's say, after a day?

Dave Hybrid 22 Dec 2011 13:58

Yes, the tag would be removed and the page indexed within the next few crawls.

The no index tag is not like robots.txt it still allows the pages to be crawled, just not indexed.

Remove the tag and Google will see when it crawls the pages as normal, and add the page back into the index.

There is no need to add any delay.

Dave Hybrid 24 Dec 2011 21:46

Any feature requests?

I'm thinking adding option to noindex member and album pages also.

karlm 25 Dec 2011 10:29

Does this mod not counter google's terms? I understand google has it that sites which use techniques to 'hide' content are punished - and as this is 'hiding' content, these sites using it will be thusly punished.

Or, is there something I've missed?

Dave Hybrid 26 Dec 2011 00:48

Googles terms? What terms?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjRGkc__FwQ

Here is a Google made video promoting the noindex tag to 'hide' any content you feel shouldnt be in Googles index.

I'm not sure you really understand. It's standard webmaster practice, nothing shady...

kingMOB 28 Dec 2011 21:16

How about an option to include manually threads in a list so they'll not be indexed?

cykelmyggen 29 Dec 2011 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlm (Post 2280842)
Does this mod not counter google's terms? I understand google has it that sites which use techniques to 'hide' content are punished - and as this is 'hiding' content, these sites using it will be thusly punished.

Or, is there something I've missed?

Maybe you're thinking of the cloaking technique?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaking

cosy 01 Jan 2012 21:30

imo this option should be included by default

also if this can be compatible w/ vaultwiki will be awesome

tpearl5 01 Jan 2012 23:37

Interesting Dave.

A couple things that immediately come to mind:
- a feature that takes the thread out of the vbseo sitemap based on criteria
- a way to exclude threads by word count, reply count, or age (days old). For example, mark threads noindex that have < 50 words, < 1 reply, and > 356 days old.

Dave Hybrid 02 Jan 2012 16:14

thanks tpearl, some good points you make.

re the sitemap, i believe they should be left in.

noindex,follow = crawl the page, follow and count links, but dont index.

any links prop up other pages onsite, internal links etc.

so you still want them crawled, as you would category pagination, you just dont want these pages to be found in the serps or counted re; Panda ratios.

cheers!
Dave.

Dave Hybrid 02 Jan 2012 16:17

One other thing... what MOD is that you run that adds the 3 boxes to the treads, ie ask question / answer question / same problem ?

Thanks.

tpearl5 02 Jan 2012 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2283057)
thanks tpearl, some good points you make.

re the sitemap, i believe they should be left in.

noindex,follow = crawl the page, follow and count links, but dont index.

any links prop up other pages onsite, internal links etc.

so you still want them crawled, as you would category pagination, you just dont want these pages to be found in the serps or counted re; Panda ratios.

cheers!
Dave.

That's a good point too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2283058)
One other thing... what MOD is that you run that adds the 3 boxes to the treads, ie ask question / answer question / same problem ?

Thanks.

It's custom, but is just done with conditionals based on the prefix of the thread (how-to's do not get the 3 boxes)

There's a lot of custom coding behind the system that allows guests to actually reply or create a new thread and only post their reply after they register though.

universosymbian 03 Jan 2012 12:54

traffic if I can I will put default recovering 500 words?

thanks

Dave Hybrid 03 Jan 2012 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by universosymbian (Post 2283358)
traffic if I can I will put default recovering 500 words?

thanks

Can you explain, that doesnt make much sense.

Gn_Snake 03 Jan 2012 15:00

It's compatible with VBSEO?

universosymbian 03 Jan 2012 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2283369)
Can you explain, that doesnt make much sense.

What word count setting do I use?

This depends on the forum. For example I have a 20k thread forum, that had lost 80% of it's traffic overnight, since june. I started at 50 words, then 100, now upto 200 to start seeing a recovery. So i hide all threads with 200 words or less from Google. All this means is by setting this at 200 i hide enough content to swing the balance, ie; the bad now doesn't outweigh the good.


As is the maximum recommended?

My traffic is up! default and now I have it in 150 words, I do well?

Dave Hybrid 03 Jan 2012 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by universosymbian (Post 2283403)
What word count setting do I use?

This depends on the forum. For example I have a 20k thread forum, that had lost 80% of it's traffic overnight, since june. I started at 50 words, then 100, now upto 200 to start seeing a recovery. So i hide all threads with 200 words or less from Google. All this means is by setting this at 200 i hide enough content to swing the balance, ie; the bad now doesn't outweigh the good.


As is the maximum recommended?

My traffic is up! default and now I have it in 150 words, I do well?


I dont support this if you remove attribution, sorry.

Dave Hybrid 03 Jan 2012 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gn_Snake (Post 2283399)
It's compatible with VBSEO?

100%

Manoel Júnior 04 Jan 2012 21:20

Unninstal!

After I installed this mod, 40% fell into my SEO.

Dave Hybrid 04 Jan 2012 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manoel Júnior (Post 2283893)
Unninstal!

After I installed this mod, 40% fell into my SEO.

When did you install? Date?

Manoel Júnior 04 Jan 2012 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2283903)
When did you install? Date?

Since the days of creation.

TheLastSuperman 04 Jan 2012 23:01

Dave,

I downloaded the mod and tbo I review all mods here if they interest me but I noticed near the top it had the <url> for Adrian's site i.e. ForumMods for reference:


Block Disabled:      (Update License Status)  
Suspended or Unlicensed Members Cannot View Code.

Is there a reason why Adrian's URL is there instead of one of yours.. did he develop this for you and you were allowed to re-release or something along those lines? I'm just confused why that is the URL for the modification within the .xml and need some feedback on that, thanks!

Dave Hybrid 04 Jan 2012 23:13

He coded it for me, i own all rights, thanks.

TheLastSuperman 04 Jan 2012 23:39

No thank you for explaining and remember that you only thank someone if they have done something nice for you a favor perhaps and we should never make it seems like a short snide reply your trying to get by with or at least that's how it felt no matter how you meant it to be perfectly honest with you.

Waiting on Adrian to confirm other than that your good in my book ;).

Edit: Dave, in regards to your below post... no it was just so quick and short that it could have been taken as polite or rude and I've been around here long enough to see you unleash your mighty self-justified wraith upon those you feel have done you wrong on more than one occasion and normally to be honest you come across as "My way or the highway" rude so perhaps my sub-conscious said "He's being a arse again" and went into defensive mode because I'm not regarded by friends and family as a stepping stone by far... at least we are now clear on things and can move on :cool:.

Dave I want to be clear that I hold nothing against you but please realize the "Thanks" was completely and entirely out of context you cannot argue that and how you have presented yourself in the past bodes for itself, sorry if your still taking offense but sometimes there's only one way to put something which is being completely honest.

Dave Hybrid 04 Jan 2012 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2283956)
No thank you for explaining and remember that you only thank someone if they have done something nice for you a favor perhaps and we should never make it seems like a short snide reply your trying to get by with or at least that's how it felt no matter how you meant it to be perfectly honest with you.

Waiting on Adrian to confirm other than that your good in my book ;).

To be perfectly honest with you I was simply being polite. If you want to take offence over nothing then i think that says more about you than it does me. Jeez.

Dave Hybrid 05 Jan 2012 12:22

Quote:

Edit: Dave, in regards to your below post... no it was just so quick and short that it could have been taken as polite or rude and I've been around here long enough to see you unleash your mighty self-justified wraith upon those you feel have done you wrong on more than one occasion and normally to be honest you come across as "My way or the highway" rude so perhaps my sub-conscious said "He's being a arse again" and went into defensive mode because I'm not regarded by friends and family as a stepping stone by far... at least we are now clear on things and can move on :cool:.

Dave I want to be clear that I hold nothing against you but please realize the "Thanks" was completely and entirely out of context you cannot argue that and how you have presented yourself in the past bodes for itself, sorry if your still taking offense but sometimes there's only one way to put something which is being completely honest.
I completely disagree, it is you with the problem, you whom is making a big deal out of nothing and you who is dragging up the past when it has no relevance here and you throwing wild accusations and personal attacks around. I have done nothing towards you except say the word 'thanks'. How on earth you justify this is beyond me. It is plain to see you are simply looking for a fight. As a MOD i would seriously question your professionalism.

BirdOPrey5 05 Jan 2012 12:57

I think this is much to-do about nothing, please move on. TLS had a legit question- we have had coders in the past post mods they did not have rights to post so the question needed to be asked, no matter who the coder who posted it was- the question was answered, so the matter should be closed.

I think this is a pretty cool idea for a mod personally.

Dave Hybrid 20 Jan 2012 17:22

Just had a PM asking if this is compatible with the new vb version, to clarify, it is compatible with any vb version. Thanks.

DanHamilton 14 Feb 2012 11:32

Say you set 50 words, will that only count the first post? Or is all all the words posted in the thread?

Dave Hybrid 14 Feb 2012 11:41

It counts the words in an entire thread.

KHALIK 26 Feb 2012 23:07

Uninstalled.

raymondblog 15 Apr 2012 10:07

After spending a lot of hours researching about Panda, I am one of the believer that thin and unuseful pages should be noindex.

Installed it a few days ago and still monitoring the situation.

raymondblog 15 Apr 2012 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Hybrid (Post 2280768)
Any feature requests?

I'm thinking adding option to noindex member and album pages also.

This can be done by manually editing the templates :)

Dave Hybrid 23 Apr 2012 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymondblog (Post 2320252)
After spending a lot of hours researching about Panda, I am one of the believer that thin and unuseful pages should be noindex.

Installed it a few days ago and still monitoring the situation.


Glad you agree and find this useful.

I'm been playing with it a while and I've nearly got my Pandalized size back to normal but I am running the setting at 350 words.

CaneInsider 24 Apr 2012 03:27

Would love to hear of any other sites whom installed this and can share the results. My analytics are very good so not sure if this would help very much. Bounce Rate is only .84% with over 21 minutes per visit.

raymondblog 24 Apr 2012 04:50

That is a very low bounce rate with visitors spending a lot of time on your website.

CaneInsider 17 May 2012 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymondblog (Post 2322990)
That is a very low bounce rate with visitors spending a lot of time on your website.

Did this hack wirk for you? Would love to get my page rank higher.

Dave Hybrid 21 Jun 2012 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaneInsider (Post 2330120)
Did this hack wirk for you? Would love to get my page rank higher.

This mod does not effect pagerank.

Alfa1 22 Jun 2012 00:41

It would be nice to get some stats from websites that tried this.

Dave Hybrid 13 Jul 2012 11:13

Updated to 1.1.0

Just a minor bug fix that affected a few users.

Dave Hybrid 23 Oct 2012 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfa1 (Post 2341884)
It would be nice to get some stats from websites that tried this.

People are normally reluctant to share specific traffic numbers...

EliteMossy 24 Oct 2012 13:09

Why does this mod not count content in spoilers/quotes etc? Are these bad for seo?

We have a some pages where content is inside quote/code/spoilers, but these are still content google can see, but the mod adds noindex :/

Dave Hybrid 24 Oct 2012 13:25

I was not aware of the issue, thanks i will look into fixing it.

As a side note this probably affects 1% of forum pages.

RichieBoy67 25 Oct 2012 14:15

Is there any way to test this to see if it is functioning?

Dave Hybrid 25 Oct 2012 17:00

Sure, install it and goto a thread and look for the noindex tag.

tpearl5 16 Jan 2013 17:52

For anyone that has been using this for a while I'd like to see some long term results.

Dave Hybrid 04 Mar 2013 22:04

Update 1.2.0

Fix small bug where word count was wrongly calculated.

RichieBoy67 05 Mar 2013 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manoel Júnior (Post 2283893)
Unninstal!

After I installed this mod, 40% fell into my SEO.

Can you please be more specif? I really do not understand what you exactly you are saying. What exactly fell by 40%?

Also, how can you be sure it was this mod that did it? Can you post a screenshot of your Google analytics graphs showing when you installed?

How long after you installed did you see this change?

Not trying to give you the third degree. I am just trying to learn about this. This seems like it would be great for one of my forums where there is often tons of small talk which is worthless. I think weeding this stuff out would be a good thing.

I would also love to hear from someone that has had a positive and showable improvement from this.. What about it op.. Do you have any stats or data to show?

Thanks much,
Rich

vimarc 07 Mar 2013 17:46

If you add no indexing for member profile pages, tags, search results, and other unimportant pages.

Adding Trailing slash redirection for example domain.com/ to domain.com

Franky45 28 Mar 2013 09:32

Works this plugin with vb 3.8?

RichieBoy67 01 May 2013 19:21

It is not so good to have most of those indexed anyways..search results, tags.. Not sure why it would block profiles unless very short but I don't know..

A good idea would be to set this up to be able to block certain words from being indexed.. This issue drives me crazy. One site is showing many, many thousands of the instance "post" as a main word. Using the comment tag to block these words would take forever.

Any updates on the use of this mod? Stats or anything?

RichieBoy67 01 May 2013 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by universosymbian (Post 2279049)
I leave it in 50 words for my site?

google analytics, I have much bounce

71.64%
Bounce Rate

00:02:43
Avg. Time on Site

68.02%
% New Visits



thanks

This mod has nothing to do with bounce..

Are you still using it and have you had good results?

z3r0 06 Jun 2013 09:36

Does anybody have the files? they seem to be missing from the first post.

RichieBoy67 09 Jun 2013 07:20

Yeah, I just now noticed that it was "Updated" but then I see no files..lol was hoping for something here. :)

M.C. 11 Jun 2013 13:28

what happened to files? Will this mod no longer be available? Please update!


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