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Really. What do you think?
by tbworld
29 Aug 2013 08:33

I constantly see this totally unrealistic "I want lists" posted here, but this is my favorite so far and it really made me laugh. I stripped all information regarding the poster so I am not advertising for him. I also never do side jobs so I am not advertising for myself either.

All he wants is 7 mods and you can get 45-60 dollars! Some of what he is looking for is quite simple, but of course he would want this fully tested, probably installed and make sure it works with my other mods before I will pay you.

Wow, that really pays for the additional 60 hours I put in a month to stay up on new technologies. Evidently as a professional engineer with a PhD, I could work for far less than minimum wage. Really?

What do you think?

Quote:

- I want notifications to happen for EVERYTHING. If someone replies on your thread, you get a PM, you get invited to a group, something is posted in the group your in, someone posts on your profile etc.
- Email notifications for notifications
- At the moment when you add someone into a group, you have to type on person and then press invite. I want to be able to type several people, seperated by eg. commas and invite in one go.
- I want to make it so that when you "invite" people, they aren't given a choice - they are put into that group straight away, will have access and will receive notifications and emails based on that group. So if I invite you to a group, you don't accept it, your in it.
- If someone sends you a PM you should get an email
- When sending a PM you have to tick the box for a read request receipt, I want the box to be ticked by default.
- Also I want group owners to be able to broadcast emails to everyone in their group, they should have a few options plus the ability to paste either HTML or use the WYSWIG editor for making the emails. I don't want every group to have this, I approve the feature for them in admincp.

mokujin 29 Aug 2013 14:47

I do a small edit and get around $50-$70, he wans to pay only $40 :D

Christos Teriakis 29 Aug 2013 15:31

2 days custom work (as it's not something that can be use in public): 500 Euros. For $40-$60 as you said, I'm not even opening my editor to write <?php

ForceHSS 29 Aug 2013 15:51

Some members have no idea the time it takes to code things or the cost

TheLastSuperman 29 Aug 2013 19:40

"Yeah, really!"

Honestly we all have different rates, different locations and lifestyles to accompany such. With that being said rates vary.

Rough Example Estimate on the above list:

US/UK Based Developer - $250 to $500+/-
Non US Based Developer - $25 to $50+/-

Why? Well again it's location, overhead, and is this a work from home developer or one that works for a company - are you paying the cost a company assigns to their products and services or an individuals? There are various factors and I always compare web work and such to automobiles... you want a new or used car, each dealership is different in costs and warranties/services etc so naturally something of this caliber can vary greatly including the quality of the work performed.

Now with all that ^ being said... does this mean your getting a better job done for the $500 - Certainly not, I've seen some quotes of the same job just like my example above and the non-us based developer since someone trusted them to do the job, did it well and for only $50. Can you trust everyone? No but sometimes a leap of faith as they say can land you a good developer who works hard for the money they know pays the bills and is fair to them respectively. Some coders can work 8 hours a day for $50 and some cannot, it all boils down to whom you trust to do the job well and if they can complete it within your budget AND timeframe.

My 2 cents.

Christos Teriakis 29 Aug 2013 21:13

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Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2441880)
US/UK Based Developer - $250 to $500+/-
Non US Based Developer - $25 to $50+/-

Why do you think that cost of life is higher in US/UK? You're totally wrong if you think something like this.
I believe that there many other factors to determine each coder what rates he/she will has. eg as for me: I know that by getting 250 Euros a day is a big amount. Especially if you compare it with the fact that my daughter, 33 years old currently, and with 14 years of work at Airlines, her salary dropped down to 235 Euros a month (for 4 hours work a day). So, yes, I have high rates. But why?

1.- I had no luck to study. Not because I didn't wanted it, or not because I was not good student. But lack of money. Being elder child in a 5 children family, there were no money for studies. So I started working to help my family. But half of my money I was spending to buy books for computers and programming. What I know now is not because I studied in the best College, neigther because I had good professor. It's because I loved it. You're reading my text now. Is it understandable? Not high level in English language and maybe poor vocabulary. But when I started reading English books I had 2 problems. First to understand what the book says and second to try to learn the programming language.
I spent years for learning. For years I was not going to holidays/vacations just to keep that money to buy books. More and more books. Money to spend for buying software. So, yes. I want to get that money back. I can't get back the years that I spent reading. I'll never get the feeling of being 22.. or 25... or even 30 years. Because I didn't really lived that years. No vacations as I said, no clubing, not even cinema.

2.- I work in an open market. Why to ask for 100 Euros a day, while I have clients waiting 2 and 3 months in the queue to start their project? I'll ask more. It's normal. Another reason is the experiance. Why to ask the same price with someone having 2-3 years experiance while I've 29 years??

This is my "2 cents". But for sure the cost of life in Greece, believe me, is much higher than USA or UK. Especially in USA, I've many relatives in LA, so I do know very well many things. And you know where is the difference? That the cost of life is something that you can control there. What I mean... This A area has $1000 monthly rental. But the area B has $700. Here there are no such differencies. Anywhere if you go, you'll find crazy owners asking the same rental. That's why we have a common joke when someone asks incredible rentals. "My dear owner, you didn't understood me. I want to rent it and not to buy it".

Zachery 29 Aug 2013 22:06

I assume, what he meant when he said non US developer, was possibly someone from a country where the cost of 25-50 USD goes a heck of a lot further.

TheLastSuperman 29 Aug 2013 22:10

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Originally Posted by Zachery (Post 2441900)
I assume, what he meant when he said non US developer, was possibly someone from a country where the cost of 25-50 USD goes a heck of a lot further.

Exactly, why I went into details citing various situations and examples such as overhead and various others.

@Christos - No I'm not totally wrong, move to North Carolina USA and purchase a home, now move to New York USA and purchase the same home and it cost roughly 2-5x more plain and simple, this is evident and fact across the world based on location. Web work is not realty that is for sure but like my automobile example it sure does make sense.

You hire someone who lives in New York, they will want more $ for time spent otherwise they can't pay the bills, rent/house payment being one of the highest of them all, if they work for a company based out of NY they are paid more per hour than someone working for a company based out of NC.

You keep asking that much Christos, it's your prerogative based on my 2 cents previously posted lol but know this, someone from for example North Korea can do the same job, for less money and better than you, we all have someone capable of doing our job better and they will if given the chance and having clients wait too long means some of them go elsewhere, that's just patience being a virtue and fact as well.

nhawk 29 Aug 2013 22:16

Actually the upper limit for what's quoted is closer to $75 USD, but still that's low for 7 mods.

This is why I read the paid mod section, usually have a good laugh and move on to other things.

When I price a mod, there's a lot I take into consideration. How many times can I resell it? Is it a repeat client requesting the mod? How much time will the mod take? And then, of course what kind of mood I'm in. :D

But, there's always someone who doesn't realize what the going rates are and will do the work for less.

tbworld 30 Aug 2013 04:25

My point in writing the initial post was to try to educate those that are requesting paid work. I thought if the developers around here posted their thinking it might help adjust peoples real world expectations and they would be happier. This was on my mind because last week I tried to help a gentleman who was trying to accomplish a list of things. I explained that he should probably break up his project list and only tackle a single project at a time. I suggested he post what code he had and that there were quite a few of us that like to help others at this level. Well he decided to get a little excited about the issue. I believe he was really just looking for a handout -- I could be wrong, but I haven't seen a new post from him since then. I do see a little social engineering around here, there are a few members that have learned to prey on some of the good natured members around here. -- It is not my place to judge, only my opinion.

@nhawk, I think the original post said 30-40 British pounds. So I just based it off the exchange rates. Maybe I was wrong about the British pound, I posted late at night.

Great replies everyone :)

Christos Teriakis 30 Aug 2013 05:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2441901)
@Christos - No I'm not totally wrong, move to North Carolina USA and purchase a home, now move to New York USA and purchase the same home and it cost roughly 2-5x more plain and simple, this is evident and fact across the world based on location. Web work is not realty that is for sure but like my automobile example it sure does make sense.

It was almost midnight when I replied so maybe I used wrong wording. You've talked for USA/UK, which means countries, and I replied on the same factor. Comparing countries and not states or cities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2441901)
someone from for example North Korea can do the same job, for less money and better than you, we all have someone capable of doing our job better

Cheap = Expensive (at final calculation).

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2441901)
and they will if given the chance and having clients wait too long means some of them go elsewhere, that's just patience being a virtue and fact as well.

Never faced such problem. Clients who are working with me for years, and they know the ending result of their project, prefer to wait than to test something new. And finally I'm totally clear to them since the first time. "Yes, I can do this for this (..) amount but I can start it at that (...) time".

TheLastSuperman 30 Aug 2013 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christos Teriakis (Post 2441935)
It was almost midnight when I replied so maybe I used wrong wording. You've talked for USA/UK, which means countries, and I replied on the same factor. Comparing countries and not states or cities.


Cheap = Expensive (at final calculation).


Never faced such problem. Clients who are working with me for years, and they know the ending result of their project, prefer to wait than to test something new. And finally I'm totally clear to them since the first time. "Yes, I can do this for this (..) amount but I can start it at that (...) time".

Ahh so your in Zombie mode sometimes like me eh? I prefer to call it being a "night owl" :cool: and no its true, you won't notice this either unless they contacted you in advance and then you happened to notice no follow up at all... that was not a play on quality or consistency at all no sir I meant to say that's simply human nature to find it elsewhere if waiting too long, same principle as them opening up a lane at checkout and the person behind you forgetting the barber shop principle (he who is in front of you goes first for the haircut) and cut right in front of you - that is the play on patience I meant to speak ;).

Christos Teriakis 30 Aug 2013 16:08

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Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman (Post 2441972)
Ahh so your in Zombie mode sometimes like me eh? .

My Zombie mode as you call it, is worst than anything else. Have you ever post in wrong site in ...Zombie mode? ...lol... Yes I did something like this, some weeks ago. Instead to post something in my vB site, I post it in a site that I have for my PHP scripts :)

TheLastSuperman 30 Aug 2013 16:35

Normally I'm on par in Zombie Mode, when I'm just plum worn out and eyes can't seem to stay open yet I'm still sitting in my chair that's when I stop because I know mistakes can happen at those times, lesson was learned the hard way though :p.

BirdOPrey5 31 Aug 2013 21:54

Just by the way that list was worded I wouldn't bother even offering to take that job, you can tell the customer isn't going to be happy, will want a bunch of changes, etc... There's no amount that any person would reasonably pay that would make the headache worth it to me.

I might offer to do this-

Quote:

If someone sends you a PM you should get an email
for $10. :D


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