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LuBi 11 Jun 2005 16:21

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Originally Posted by djroketboy
I can't, it's not my release, if magnus says it's ok, then i will....

Well I'm not talking about magnus's release I'm talking about Noppid's. I mean it was online and available so why can't it be again. Why can't we just throw it up, this is the single modification holding me back from bringing my re-designed/updated local mustang forum live. :disappointed:

Rick Sample 11 Jun 2005 16:26

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Originally Posted by LuBi
Well I'm not talking about magnus's release I'm talking about Noppid's. I mean it was online and available so why can't it be again. Why can't we just throw it up, this is the single modification holding me back from bringing my re-designed/updated local mustang forum live. :disappointed:


What new mustang forum do you own, is it the one in your sig or?

LuBi 11 Jun 2005 16:30

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Originally Posted by Rick Sample
What new mustang forum do you own, is it the one in your sig or?

I'll drop you a PM.

gibgib 14 Jun 2005 11:28

I'm keen to have multiple garages for our forum.
Very slow progression with this hack!
Great to see magnus back amoungst us.

noppid 14 Jun 2005 14:17

All vBGarage Code I have released is available at the computer help forum. Magnus and Action-N are still credited for their contributions and the fact magnus got this started.

However, this is no longer even close to the code magnus released as 3.11, it has evolved way beyond that. The primary reason I am now managing this code is that during the 3.11 period magnus was not available and the garage was under attack from kiddie scripters. I fixed mine myself. After weeks of seeing the probelm I stepped up and offered my patch at the time. Things went form there.

So the vBGarage code is available for 4.0.4 if requested and 4.1.0 beta is posted.

vGarage is also ported to a vBulletin 3.5 plugin and working well. There are many new additions and enhancements too.

No one was abondoned. Like many other premium coders, we think it's best if we post and manage our code when and where we choose.

Please remember, vBGarage 4.0.x, 4.1.x and 4.3.5 are copyrighted material.

Thanks

Marco van Herwaarden 14 Jun 2005 14:25

Did magnus ever handed over the copyrights to vBGarage to you? If not i think we could have a problem here.

noppid 14 Jun 2005 15:42

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Originally Posted by MarcoH64
Did magnus ever handed over the copyrights to vBGarage to you? If not i think we could have a problem here.

Based on that, vBGarage is now a private hack. I don't have time for this. Now the copyright concern is dead.

Regards

Marco van Herwaarden 14 Jun 2005 15:49

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Originally Posted by noppid
Based on that, vBGarage is now a private hack. I don't have time for this. Now the copyright concern is dead.

Regards

Sorry seems like i don't understand you. Could you please explain what a "private hack" is and what it means if "the copyright concern is dead"?

noppid 14 Jun 2005 16:03

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Originally Posted by MarcoH64
Sorry seems like i don't understand you. Could you please explain what a "private hack" is and what it means if "the copyright concern is dead"?

This is between me and magnus, thanks for your concern. He knows how to contact me.

Regards.

for the record...

initial permission granted
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showp...postcount=1549

second version released with permission noted.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...light=vbgarage

A Premium hack forum requested and created with me originally as a moderator and the only poster and coder. The community wanted the code and an admin here asked me to bring it back to availability. This sudden questioning of the perrmission has undertones I resent!

I think that's enough permission. But it's of no consequence. I'll have it recoded and rebranded overnight.

Marco van Herwaarden 14 Jun 2005 16:10

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Originally Posted by noppid
This is between me and magnus, thanks for your concern. He knows how to contact me.

Regards.

Yes you are 100% right if you say it is between you and Magnus. I am sorry if i gave the impression that i was trying to interphere in that.

I just didn't understand the meaning of your reply and i was hoping that you could word it different so i could understand. You must forgive me, but sometimes it is hard, not being a native English speaker.

On the other hand if you are using our forums to promote private distribution of materials for which the copyright is held by someone else, then it is not only a question between you and Magnus anymore. But this is not up to us to decide (in my opinion this still is up to magnus, personal opinion). But since this forum is already being used to promote your site, it is reasonable i think that i am trying to understand what you are posting here.

noppid 14 Jun 2005 16:15

I am a license holder and I expect to be able to promote my forums here just as anyone else does. You seem to be saying alot but trying to come off as being concerned. I don't believe it and I resent it.

I thought we were done and beyond the anomosity, apparently not.

I will leave and go away. It's obvious that the employees of Jelsoft have no intention of ever treating me fairly again.

Regards

Zachery 14 Jun 2005 20:04

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Originally Posted by noppid
I am a license holder and I expect to be able to promote my forums here just as anyone else does. You seem to be saying alot but trying to come off as being concerned. I don't believe it and I resent it.

I thought we were done and beyond the anomosity, apparently not.

I will leave and go away. It's obvious that the employees of Jelsoft have no intention of ever treating me fairly again.

Regards

noppid, as far as I am aware, your continuation of the vBgarage project was only allowed to you as long as you kept the code and the hack here for vBulletin.org and no where else.

And it seems like you have broken that agreement.

noppid 14 Jun 2005 20:19

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Originally Posted by Zachery
noppid, as far as I am aware, your continuation of the vBgarage project was only allowed to you as long as you kept the code and the hack here for vBulletin.org and no where else.

And it seems like you have broken that agreement.

You have no clue what me and magnus discussed. So therefore, you too need to mind your business.

Thanks

I might add, you are heading into territory where by if Magnus claims copyrigth to vbgarage 3.11 that that would invalidate the code I wrote and everyone, not just me, would have to give up the code. This is of no benefit to the community.

Let me know if we are going to continue a good hack or have a fight about where it lives.

I have the DCMA forms ready to file. This will be done right if that's how you want to do things and it will not benefit the community.

Does your boss want to do that work? Are you speaking for Jelsoft when you question my copyright? Are you an attorney? Are you an attorney for magnus? Do you have a copy of the copyright agreement you say you are aware of and that you cite?

Did magnus file a copyright petition with the proper authorities? I'm certainly not aware of one.

Let's get this de-escalted now, because I'm really fed up.

The bigest reason to drop this is...
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Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin.
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#cr

There is no enforceable action that can be taken here. I'm certainly not looking for one in any case. If that's where you are going, I think it's just going to cause decent amoung those that will lose out.

Erwin 15 Jun 2005 00:05

Just to make one thing clear, no vB.org staff except for those who are also vB.com staff are Jelsoft employees. :) We are merely volunteers, just like you and other members of vB.org

This is just to clarify that one point for other members who may read this. That's all.

We always encourage hacks to be released on official Jelsoft sites to prevent piracy but obviously every hacker has a right to do what he wishes with his hack. :) We all respect this.

noppid 15 Jun 2005 02:53

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Originally Posted by Erwin
Just to make one thing clear, no vB.org staff except for those who are also vB.com staff are Jelsoft employees. :) We are merely volunteers, just like you and other members of vB.org

This is just to clarify that one point for other members who may read this. That's all.

We always encourage hacks to be released on official Jelsoft sites to prevent piracy but obviously every hacker has a right to do what he wishes with his hack. :) We all respect this.

Thanks for the reply. I appeciate the clarification. Rather then deal with ownership, I have coded a totally new photo gallery as a vBulletin 3.5 plugin. It is vBulletin 3.5 code which makes it 100% unique. vBGarage is incomaptable with vBulletin 3.5. There are at least 29 points of difference between this and vBGarage. There will be no copyright issues.

To avoid future concerns over the vBGarage copyright it's probably best if it is left alone. Magnus has the base code in 3.11 to continue the job if he desires. The 4.x.x code is withdrawn to protect his interests.

If he wants to continue, he can contact me for permission to use the 4.x code in the future. That makes the copyright respect go both ways which is only fair if in fact this is stated to have been a partnership and not that I took over.

Regards.


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