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Why not vBulletin 7 ?
by Master Of Unive
19 Nov 2016 15:46

Due to the fact that social networks have vastly grown, uses of forum board decreased so much, but forum still has its own place, where we can archive and discuss things with determined subject. I still like vbulletin style and its structure a lot, that's why I'm still stick with vb4. However in order to live, forum have to change. There are some of social-like-forum software recently but none is really useful.

Then there is vb5, I would say this is a failure, lacks of feature, lacks of customisation, full of bugs through out versions. It can be easily seen as below, (73 and 28) compares to (2700)

vB5 is still under development but it doesn't seem like an active product. So, why not vbulletin 7, you can take time to think about the changes. the concepts, like PHP 7, a really good thing recently.

I know the idea is delusional as their minds are now full of fixing bugs. But let these are just for expectations and for FUN.

https://www.vbulletin.org/forum/external/2016/11/8.png

In Omnibus 19 Nov 2016 15:48

Why are you skipping 6?

Also, your assessment of vBulletin 5 is complete nonsense.

Master Of Unive 19 Nov 2016 15:53

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Originally Posted by ProSportsForums (Post 2578416)
Why are you skipping 6?

Also, your assessment of vBulletin 5 is complete nonsense.

I don't have numbers of their sale of course. But look at the vb5 ecosystem, do you see thing? Do you want to use a forum full of bugs and have no more than 100 extensions? Are you willing to pay for all modifications you need? Also as I stated, it's just an expectation.

Why skipping 6? Just a funny example, php 7, windows 10 and so on.

Mark.B 19 Nov 2016 15:53

Making a brand new version from scratch would take years, and would require users to buy new licenses. Not going to happen. Development is focused on vB5 for at least the foreseeable future.

As stated, the assessment of vB5 there is way out anyhow. I think some people used one of the 5.0.0 Alphas and decided they didn't like it, and assume the product is still like that. It isn't.

Master Of Unive 19 Nov 2016 15:59

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Originally Posted by Mark.B (Post 2578419)
Making a brand new version from scratch would take years, and would require users to buy new licenses. Not going to happen. Development is focused on vB5 for at least the foreseeable future.

As stated, the assessment of vB5 there is way out anyhow. I think some people used one of the 5.0.0 Alphas and decided they didn't like it, and assume the product is still like that. It isn't.

Not going to change the fact that it still has many bugs, you need to pay for what you need, even just a simple thing from vb4.

Lacks of extensions, third party login is absent, real time notification is nowhere.
This just proves that standard requirement is somehow low.

Dave 19 Nov 2016 16:15

I don't think they even have the manpower to start all over again, even if they wanted to.

In Omnibus 19 Nov 2016 16:43

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 2578425)
I don't think they even have the manpower to start all over again, even if they wanted to.

This reply is directed at the general point, not at you specifically.

Not to mention there's absolutely no reason to start over again. It's not as though the competition has advanced even to the level of vBulletin 4.2x as of yet.

There's only so far the development of a message board forum software can wander before it becomes something other than a message board forum.

I realize there are people who think it should become a social media platform but if it becomes that it is no longer a message board forum. It can't be everything to everyone.

It can't be Facebook, and Twitter, and Instagram, and WordPress, and forum software. If it's all of those things guess how much time social media people will spend on the forums? About the same amount they spend now.

But it seems like that's what people want and expect.

A lot of people lost their bowels over the initial release of vB4. And yet, it has developed into the best software of its type.

vB5 is the only software of its type. It has no competition. So when some people go off the deep end about how vB5 is a bad product because it's not an upgraded version of vB4 they have no valid argument. vB5 was never supposed to be that and was never advertised as being that.

Kevin and the development team have made huge progress on vB5 in the last few months. In less time than it took for people to not only accept but actually like vB4 I believe they will have vB5 leading the industry. They did it with vB3 and with vB4, so there is a precedent.

Mark.B 19 Nov 2016 16:50

Agreed, and it's also worth noting that vB now has a small but stable and long term development team, lef by Kevin. They've all been there ages, they now know the vB5 code inside out. Of coure, they cannot work miracles but things are chugging along very nicely, and some of the stuff coming up, if it comes to pass, will please a fair few people.

New features get launched now with very little issue...vB Messenger is the most recent example, well received, popular and I think only one real bug turned up post the initial release, which has now been fixed, and so there can be some focus on improving the functionality. There's now the basics of a page manager in site builder, something that's long been demanded. A major current focus is improving language support, as Arabic (in particular) sites have issues at the moment. In 5.2.5 they sorted out the image upload problems and it just now works. Etc etc.

Meanwhile the cloud platform continues to grow and is proving a popular way to 'test the water' with a forum before going self hosted (since you can port across). Conversely, some long established boards have decided to move to cloud for the low maintenance overhead. Cloud upgrades, which were a bit fraught in the early days, now go without a hitch.

Replicant 19 Nov 2016 17:49

I will add that while there aren't a huge quantity of mods on vBorg, that doesn't mean there aren't any to chose from. Most of the more complicated and sophisticated products built for vb5 are not free and are typically custom built for functionality requested by the person buying the mod.

Mark.B 19 Nov 2016 18:07

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Originally Posted by Replicant (Post 2578429)
I will add that while there aren't a huge quantity of mods on vBorg, that doesn't mean there aren't any to chose from. Most of the more complicated and sophisticated products built for vb5 are not free and are typically custom built for functionality requested by the person buying the mod.

And that's the way mod development is heading on all platforms now. You pay for anything half-decent. The vB3 and vB4 days of thousands of fully-featured, supported modifications being released for free will never return on any platform.

Glenn has some decent mods for vB5 on his site. Well worth looking at.

Dave 19 Nov 2016 18:41

Did they ever release any documentation on vBulletin's 5 API and how to create mods or is it still just a matter of digging through the code and finding posts on forums of people who figured it out?

I know about http://vb5support.com/ but some of the pages aren't finished.

In Omnibus 19 Nov 2016 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 2578431)
Did they ever release any documentation on vBulletin's 5 API and how to create mods or is it still just a matter of digging through the code and finding posts on forums of people who figured it out?

I know about http://vb5support.com/ but some of the pages aren't finished.

Replicant wrote up a pretty good skeleton for vB5 product development.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=323006

Mark.B 19 Nov 2016 19:10

http://vb5support.com/resources/api/

Master Of Unive 19 Nov 2016 20:09

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Originally Posted by Mark.B (Post 2578430)
And that's the way mod development is heading on all platforms now. You pay for anything half-decent. They vB3 and vB4 days of thousands of fully-featured, supported modifications being released for free will never return on any platform.

Glenn has some decent mods for vB5 on his site. Well worth looking at.

It seems that it is your belief.
You believe in what you are doing, that doesn't apply for other people. Some just need default features from a message board, some need more, it depends on object which your site is heading to.

The fact that I made an idea to discuss for a change, but you prove that vbulletin accept current situation. You just cannot use it as excuse for downside of the platform right now. The lack of modification makes vbulletin is no longer a target for developers, thus price for each modification being paid can be increased significantly. You no longer have a standard quality to compare between mods.

Of course, a better way is to give up from modifications (I notice changes of vbulletin strategy), but since bugs and major features haven't been filled soon, I don't see there is a slight difference.

Mark.B 19 Nov 2016 20:14

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Originally Posted by Master Of Unive (Post 2578440)
It seems that it is your belief.
You believe in what you are doing, that doesn't apply for other people. Some just need default features from a message board, some need more, it depends on object which your site is heading to.

The fact that I made an idea to discuss for a change, but you prove that vbulletin accept current situation. You just cannot use it as excuse for downside of the platform right now. The lack of modification makes vbulletin is no longer a target for developers, thus price for each modification being paid can be increased significantly. You no longer have a standard quality to compare between mods.

Of course, a better way is to give up from modifications, but since bugs and major features haven't been filled soon, I don't see there is a slight difference.

You do realise that I have absolutely zero say in things like this? I'm giving you my opinion, that's all. I don't 'prove that vBulletin accept' anything. I have no idea what their thinking is.

What I do know, is that the days of people spending hours, days and weeks coding free modifications are over, on all platforms. Yes some still do it but most new stuff coming out is paid.

What uis also a fact, is that historically, going back to vBulletin's early days, the vast majority of customer do NOT use modifications. They just don't. It's a fact. Some will use a style but even that isn't as widespread as you'd think. The same will no doubt be true of other platforms. People saying 'this platform will die because of lack of modifications' are just plain wrong. The popularity of various cloud platforms, like vBulletin's, where modifcations aren't even allowed, bear this out.


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