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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:38
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Originally Posted by nighteyes
I'm sorry but this logic could easily be applied to "assigning" administrators to our vBulletin installation or global super moderators to subforums. Aren't these groups being assigned the right to use vBulletin without a license? This hack just restricts what features this new group of administrators have access to.
Like I said, it will have to be reviewed. There is a chance that it will be determined to be within the license agreement and it will be re-instated. I had asked the creator to remove it voluntarily on a temporary basis while a review was done but he refused to do it stating he didn't have to abide by the Jelsoft License agreement. Maybe it was a language barrier issue that caused him not to do so. Maybe I didn't understand exactly what he meant exactly by not having to abide by the license agreement. Maybe he was given some false information by someone who doesn't have the authority. Right now, we have to review the hack to see what it does, check the code and so forth.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:44
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Originally Posted by VampireMan
* VampireMan makes all his users admins
LOL!!!

Well I'm sorry to get so heated ... I'm sure vB will see that this hack is within TOS.. and the License Agreement. I have faith in vB.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:46
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Originally Posted by mello_mike
LOL!!!

Well I'm sorry to get so heated ... I'm sure vB will see that this hack is within TOS.. and the License Agreement. I have faith in vB.
Let's hope you're right. I'm not very confident this will happen based on the strong language Wayne has been using in this thread.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:52
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I can see how this may be an issue with people that use this hack the wrong way i.e. John Doe sets up a domain called virtualvb.com, installs his vb board then installs this hack and uses the vb subscription feature to charge people to have their own miniature forum within his forum. But what about us members who actually see a good benefit from this within our own community, rather than try to make a profit?
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:54
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Originally Posted by hypedave
I can see how this may be an issue with people that use this hack the wrong way i.e. John Doe sets up a domain called virtualvb.com, installs his vb board then installs this hack and uses the vb subscription feature to charge people to have their own miniature forum within his forum. But what about us members who actually see a good benefit from this within our own community, rather than try to make a profit?
Profit isn't relevant here (that may be a moral consideration for some, but it isn't a legal issue given the current license terms).
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:54
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I reported it a day ago or so, it did not have a stand alone installer, it was forcing you to install a hack to install it self, which gets into the whole HTL debate. Which has been discussed over and over again.


Personally i would have removed it under thoughs grounds and left it be.

However i personally think this does undermind jelsofts license, if you want someone to have a sub forum, theres no problem with setting one up and letting them be a moderator. Ive done it for a few friends who dont have the knowhow or the webspace, but thats its extent. This basicly allows anyone to have their own ezboard setup which would hurt the vB community overall.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:54
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Like I said, it will have to be reviewed. There is a chance that it will be determined to be within the license agreement and it will be re-instated. I had asked the creator to remove it voluntarily on a temporary basis while a review was done but he refused to do it stating he didn't have to abide by the Jelsoft License agreement.
As a supporter of a company you should learn there is a difference between "Do you have written permission to do illegal things" and "I'm not sure if your hack is within our license agreement. Would it be possible to remove the download until we have discussed this within our staff?".

You have seen what happens in the first case. I personally believe you had prefered the result of the second one. I'm always trying to work together with others as long as they are friendly. Feel free to ask NTLDR as we had very much PM conversation the last days and I think we have found a good resolution for our problems.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:57
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Originally Posted by hypedave
I can see how this may be an issue with people that use this hack the wrong way i.e. John Doe sets up a domain called virtualvb.com, installs his vb board then installs this hack and uses the vb subscription feature to charge people to have their own miniature forum within his forum.
Not sure if you read the license of vBHosting. It's clearly stated there that exactly this is not allowed...
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:59
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this hack wont be back - well not in is current form anyway - if jelsoft back down i bet they make it so its a restricted version of what it could of been.

GameCrash congrats m8 on a well thought out hack.I was waiting for it to come out of beta like many others and never thought for a min it would get removed.

Also after reading all the posts - one thing aint certain

How long till the decision is made ?
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:59
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Originally Posted by Zachery
if you want someone to have a sub forum, theres no problem with setting one up and letting them be a moderator. Ive done it for a few friends
Then I have bad news for you. Following Wayne Luke, this is extremely illegal as this is exactly what my hack does...

Okay, I'll go to bed now. I have to get up in about three hours to go to work. We'll see if I get some sleep... let's hope the (vBulletin)world looks better tomorrow.

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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:59
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Originally Posted by GameCrash
Not sure if you read the license of vBHosting. It's clearly stated there that exactly this is not allowed...
GameCrash, how many people read a license before they accually use a software / program?

about 5-10% read part of it and less read the whole thing. Just because someone says you cant unless you have the power to enforce it its hard stoping them.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 00:59
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Originally Posted by GameCrash
Not sure if you read the license of vBHosting. It's clearly stated there that exactly this is not allowed...
I think he's referring to the vBulletin license. Your vBHosting license does, indeed, prohibit this. But it's not really germaine to the discussion.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 01:00
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Originally Posted by GameCrash
Then I have bad news for you. Following Wayne Luke, this is extremely illegal as this is exactly what my hack does...
No, yours automated the whole process.

Trust me, if they asked me to stop i would
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 01:03
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Originally Posted by Zachery
No, yours automated the whole process.

Trust me, if they asked me to stop i would
I'm sorry I can't find anything about automatisation in the license...?
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 01:03
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Personally i think this is a brilliant hack , it's has enabled me to do what i wanted with my forum. Seperate headers/styles per forum. This hack is the closest that comes to it & in fact makes it really easy to do it.

Yes i know you can select a different style per forum , but this way is much easier to manage. If jelsoft does decide this is an "illegal" hack against their liscence system then i will forget about the fact im up for renewal. And stick with what i have.

And as was stated in a previous post by nighteye's , it could be construed that we are allready violating the agreement by having admins who can access the admin menu.
Personally if so i shall get legal advice on this - as Jelsoft would be nullifying their aggreement by giving us the ability to make admins.
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