[JacquiiDesigns]

Funny. I thought from the sound of the thread title that this thread might border on lunacy.
I was correct. "4.x is amazing."? Ha! Yeah right.. With its hundreds of confirmed, yet unresolved bugs!?
Total nonsensical thinking....

J.

[SPEEDKILLZ]

After Years On VB, And Days On Xf. it Is Not Looking Good For VB from My Point. Especially After The Vb5 Release, The Future Of VB Don't Look Good. VB3 Was The Best Release And has Went Downhill Ever Since. Don't get me wrong i still have a vb license and may or may not switch back, bot over the last few days on XF i am truly impressed.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns

Funny. I thought from the sound of the thread title that this thread might border on lunacy.
I was correct. "4.x is amazing."? Ha! Yeah right.. With its hundreds of confirmed, yet unresolved bugs!?
Total nonsensical thinking....

J.

One can find something flawed amazing, if the bugs don't directly relate to anything they personally do on their site. Which is why so many people liked Ford in the 80s.

[Lizard King]

Most important thing when big boards decide about the software they use is not only today. They also try to think about the future. Will you create a business which is dedicated to casette's ? Of course no because that technology is dead. That is the unfortunate truth about vBulletin. It is dying slowly and the future doesn't look so bright.So why expect anyone to dedicate their time on a software which has no future at all.

Also as stated earlier not all boards move to XF , we moved to IPB and happy about it. Digitalpoint were ahead of us on post numbers when they move to xf and we completed our move. Now we have more posts then Digitalpoint.

We use some free some paid modifications for IPB but we also had a lot of custom development because of our boards needs.

Which also can clearly point out that all boards needs are different from one another. So no solution is perfect but at least other solutions seem to have future.

[Bram H]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Oh really... can you make custom BB codes yet? No?

Can you upload smileys directly from the Admin CP yet? No?

Does it have Blogs or Articles yet? No?

Does it have Multi-quote yet? Kind of? You mean i have to scroll all the way back up again each time I hit reply? So No?

Does it have a way to leave comments when you "Like" something? No?

Does it have 1800 FREE modifications? No? Does it have ANY free modifications anymore? That's a serious question, I haven't looked in a while.

Does everyone need all the features above? Of course not- but there is no way you can say it has surpassed vBulletin in functionality... In stability, yes, perhaps- but simpler software is easier to keep bug free.

Truth is XF hasn't even hit VB 3.x level of features yet, let alone VB 4.x.

It may well surpass VB4 one day, but it hasn't happened yet. I don't hate XenForo mind you, but reality is reality. The only forum software I truly despise is IPB.

Some of the things you list it doesn't have. But I think you are looking at the software from a administrator perspective.

What really counts is how users rate the software and from our experience in the last two years its nothing but positive after people have adapted to the new forum software.

User experience is king imo.

The free add-ons, I actually avoid. Paying a tiny bit to a proper developer ensures me that there will be ongoing support, improvements and so far every installed payware mod (with exception of one) has worked out very nicely.

If vB4 and 5 are so feature rich and good, how come vb.org is still using the 3.x series since 1978?

The fact that you react so agitated to my honest comments makes me realize i shouldn't have replied to this topic in the first place.

I am not a vBulletin hater, on the contrary, still owe my old licenses from back in the days and if vB6 or 7 will be better than other forum software out there Ill migrate back without a hesitation. As said: user experience is king, so the challenge is all yours.

[cellarius]

You have some points.

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Oh really... can you make custom BB codes yet? No?

Agreed, that's missing. But there's a great addon that offers better functionality than vB.

Can you upload smileys directly from the Admin CP yet? No?

For that, I honestly don't care. This is a setup once and forget functionality. Doesn't bother me at all.

Does it have Blogs or Articles yet? No?

Given the state of blogs and articles of vB4, I consider them unusable for me. So this really is feature parity for me. And what I have read about CMS implementation in vB5 leaves me seriously underwhelmed, too. On the other hand, I could say: Does vB3 or 4 have a ressource manager (capable of being used for quite more than managing ressources)?

Does it have Multi-quote yet? Kind of? You mean i have to scroll all the way back up again each time I hit reply? So No?

Multiquote is in the making.

Does it have a way to leave comments when you "Like" something? No?

You mean the functionality vB deemed so importand it removed it from vB5?

Does it have 1800 FREE modifications? No? Does it have ANY free modifications anymore? That's a serious question, I haven't looked in a while.

Given vB5 has not even 50 modifications after a full year this is really not a point vB can make. And yes, xF has lots of very good quality free addons, and 1095 addons at the moment in the ressource manager overall.

Does everyone need all the features above? Of course not- but there is no way you can say it has surpassed vBulletin in functionality... In stability, yes, perhaps- but simpler software is easier to keep bug free.

That, sorry, sounds like a quite lame excuse given the bug record of vB4. Most of the code was from vB3, which was virtually bug free, but still vB4 managed to introduce a gazilliion of bugs, many of which are still unresolved.

At least for me, stability and future are key aspects. vB4 will soon no longer be usable, given there won't be much development and IB's lagging when it comes to adapting to new technology (IE versions, PHP versions...). In the end, vB5 is vB4's future, and that's just a too horrible perspective to even remotely contemplate it.

Truth is XF hasn't even hit VB 3.x level of features yet, let alone VB 4.x.

Well, there's xF-functionality I really miss in vB, too. WebDAV template editing, for example, or Private Conversations, which are so much more versatile than PMs in vB, or AdminCP search, or a working and worthwile notification system, or @Username tagging. And, as I pointed out, xF has one absolute key feature for me over vB: future, and reliable, stability oriented development as opposed to the cash grab stunts IB pulled with vB4 and vB5.

Yet all this is my personal preference. I just sometimes feel people have taken a look at xF when it came out, then never cared to follow the releases after.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by cellarius

You have some points.


Agreed, that's missing. But there's a great addon that offers better functionality than vB.


For that, I honestly don't care. This is a setup once and forget functionality. Doesn't bother me at all.


Given the state of blogs and articles of vB4, I consider them unusable for me. So this really is feature parity for me. And what I have read about CMS implementation in vB5 leaves me seriously underwhelmed, too. On the other hand, I could say: Does vB3 or 4 have a ressource manager (capable of being used for quite more than managing ressources)?


Multiquote is in the making.


You mean the functionality vB deemed so importand it removed it from vB5?


Given vB5 has not even 50 modifications after a full year this is really not a point vB can make. And yes, xF has lots of very good quality free addons, and 1095 addons at the moment in the ressource manager overall.


That, sorry, sounds like a quite lame excuse given the bug record of vB4. Most of the code was from vB3, which was virtually bug free, but still vB4 managed to introduce a gazilliion of bugs, many of which are still unresolved.

At least for me, stability and future are key aspects. vB4 will soon no longer be usable, given there won't be much development and IB's lagging when it comes to adapting to new technology (IE versions, PHP versions...). In the end, vB5 is vB4's future, and that's just a too horrible perspective to even remotely contemplate it.


Well, there's xF-functionality I really miss in vB, too. WebDAV template editing, for example, or Private Conversations, which are so much more versatile than PMs in vB, or AdminCP search, or a working and worthwile notification system, or @Username tagging. And, as I pointed out, xF has one absolute key feature for me over vB: future, and reliable, stability oriented development as opposed to the cash grab stunts IB pulled with vB4 and vB5.

Yet all this is my personal preference. I just sometimes feel people have taken a look at xF when it came out, then never cared to follow the releases after.

You speculate so much to defend Xenforo. You're making it sound like VB will close and Xenforo will live which doesn't make any sense and the cash grab about IB, Xenforo is there for business and money as well. It is hypocrite when we say VB is all about money and Xenforo isn't.

For me no matter how i look at these statements or similar, i can't join the bandwagon and say Xenforo is better, XF is missing a many features and it is not that great currently other than being light and having good SEO aspect. It needs 3 - 4 years to shine and see what it is all about, then we can make judgement.

You don't know the future of VB and you don't know if IB will hire new developers to increase their staff. You don't know how VB will expend but I am expecting that VB might take a future approach into becoming something more than a forum but rather something closer to social network, more profile options and features. The goal of forums is to create a community and try to connect your members with each other in the easiest way possible, inspired by Tweeter and FB features. If IB is smart, they would take this approach as something fresh and new, by thinking outside the box.

For Xenforo, they need at least 3 years to have all the features that vb has, bug free as well, then they can start to expend on more ideas. Seeing as it is now, they are choosing the quickest and easy way in term of features and relaying on developers to create some of Vb default features in order to push forward their product.

For ex http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showp...1&postcount=54

Why should i buy something that is missing but available on VB core features. So many of vb default features XF don't have, Xenforo software will cost me if i want to cover every vb default feature that is missing. It doesn't make any sense.

At the end of the day, truth be told VB is better than Xenforo at the moment and that is the cloudy truth, the hype about XF and joining the bandwagon is foreshadowing these facts. And when i say better i am referring to vb 4.x. It will take few years for vb 5.x to become more stable and feature rich and only then we can compare and contrast between VB 5.x and Xenforo.

The one thing i hate about VB though is how ravage they keep changing the system and core coding that it forces me to lose my current addon and custom skins, and I would need to invest several times to get them back. That is not fun especially when support gets discontinued.

[nhawk]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

...
For ex, i don't need to buy the bookmark of topics when vb has already a complete topic subscription system to subscribe to topics/threads http://xenforo.com/community/resources/bookmarks.272/
...

Poor example on your part. You're comparing a topic subscription system (which XF has built in and works very well) to a bookmark system. Those are two entirely different things.

There's actually very little missing from the core XF system as compared to vB. As a matter of fact, many of the core functions work better than vB (user and usergroup permissions for one). And what may be missing, I don't miss at all when I use XF.

Following this thread, it really sounds like some people don't understand how to use some of the XF functions so vB wins out by default.

[katie hunter]

Originally Posted by nhawk

Poor example on your part. You're comparing a topic subscription system (which XF has built in and works very well) to a bookmark system. Those are two entirely different things.

There's actually very little missing from the core XF system as compared to vB. As a matter of fact, many of the core functions work better than vB. And what may be missing, I don't miss at all when I use XF.

Who Has Visited In Last 24 Hours (VB has that in its default function)
http://xenforo.com/community/resourc...24-hours.1442/

Ad Manager 1.0 Beta 3.0.1 (VB has that in its default function)
http://xenforo.com/community/resources/ad-manager.294/

Better Blogs 1.0.33 (VB has that in its default function - blog feature)
http://xenforo.com/community/resourc...er-blogs.1055/

[1.2.x] Current Thread Viewers/Browsers 1.1 (VB has that in its default function)
http://xenforo.com/community/resourc...browsers.2333/

[1.1x&1.2x] New Users Welcome 1.2 (VB has that in its default function)
http://xenforo.com/community/resourc...-welcome.1293/

Multi-Quote Posts 1.0 (VB has that in its default function)
http://xenforo.com/community/resourc...te-posts.2066/

I think these are good examples while they are many more, if i keep adding up the price, surely Xenforo will be so much more expensive than VB. Not to mention upgrading these addons when a new XF is released.

[cellarius]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

more profile options and features. The goal of forums is to create a community and try to connect your members with each other in the easiest way possible, inspired by Tweeter and FB features.

You mean like a like system or working notifications? *lol*

For Xenforo, they need at least 3 years to have all the features that vb has, bug free as well,

You're obviously confused. It is vB that needs three years after every release to get their versions at least half way usable (I'm not saying bug free, just look at the vB4-tracker).

For ex, i don't need to buy the bookmark of topics when vb has already a complete topic subscription system to subscribe to topics/threads http://xenforo.com/community/resources/bookmarks.272/

Thanks for proving that you just have no idea what you're talking about. vB does not have a bookmarking system, it has a subscription system (which xF has, too). In fact, there is a bookamarks addon for vB
http://www.dragonbyte-tech.com/produ...st-bookmarking

That is one example out of many.

And of the many you choose the single one that did not fit, huh?

Why should i buy something

No one is asking you to. That's entirely your choice, just as it is mine.

that is missing but available on VB core features. So many of vb default features XF don't have, Xenforo software will cost me if i want to cover every vb default feature that is missing. It doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't have to make sense, and you don't have to buy it if you don't want to.

At the end of the day, truth be told VB is better than Xenforo at the moment and that is the cloudy truth, the hype about XF and joining the bandwagon is foreshadowing these facts.

You're entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else. Problem is: Everyone else's arguments are "joining a bandwagon" and "speculation", while you yourself only present "the truth" and "facts" (poorly researched and understood, at that, see above).

And when i say better i am referring to vb 4.x. It will take few years for vb 5.x to become more stable and feature rich and only then we can compare and contrast between VB 5.x and Xenforo.

And, hm, it does not make you think twice at all that it takes new vB releases three years to get usable? And I'm not talking missing features. I'm talking usable at all.

The one thing i hate about VB though is how ravage they keep changing the system and core coding that it forces me to lose my current addon and custom skins, and I would need to invest several times to get them back. That is not fun especially when support gets discontinued.

Ah. Now, you see. You said yourself in the past that you had no idea of code quality. But obviously you experience what happens when code is poor and design is without thought.

[katie hunter]

Did you intend to skip this reply and comment on the bookmark post only :d ?

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showp...1&postcount=54

[borbole]

Originally Posted by katie hunter

For ex, i don't need to buy the bookmark of topics when vb has already a complete topic subscription system to subscribe to topics/threads http://xenforo.com/community/resources/bookmarks.272/

It amazes me when people talk so confidently about things they don''t have a clue about. No offence meant, but for future reference, make sure to think first before you speak, well in this case write. You will prevent yourself from looking like ignorant.

--------------- Added 28 Nov 2013 at 19:01 ---------------

Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns

Funny. I thought from the sound of the thread title that this thread might border on lunacy.
I was correct. "4.x is amazing."? Ha! Yeah right.. With its hundreds of confirmed, yet unresolved bugs!?
Total nonsensical thinking....

J.

Not to mention the security that it leaves a lot to be desired lately.

[TheLastSuperman]

Hey everyone, I'd rather not have to delete this thread so please keep all "pricing" out if it, I've went back a few posts and removed a few references to prices. You're free to discuss this but not paid versions/pricing or anything related to $ so lets keep it clean otherwise this will be removed like the last topic that was off course when prices were starting to be listed.

[Paul M]

This went totally off the rails. I have removed a couple of pages of largely utter nonsense & arguments, which I cannot be bothered to go through post by post. Time to move on and behave people.