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Old 26 Mar 2014, 22:54
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
You're proved your point already, your signature ---> (Sorry, but I am no longer developing for vB; please do not PM. So long, and thanks for all the fish.)
That comment is to stop people from sending me PMs for code I haven't touched in some time; it saves both them & me time.

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Are we done here?
That depends; are you going to continue to post misleading statements as if they were true?
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 22:56
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Originally Posted by KW802 View Post
That comment is to stop people from sending me PMs for code I haven't touched in some time; it saves both them & me time.

That depends; are you going to continue to post misleading statements as if they were true?
Misleading in your own mind but perfectly true in reality.

If XF fans and Staff are still being intimidated by my posts, I seriously have to applaud them, that tells me that what i am saying is proven to be the truth and the truth hurts, we all know that.

If you can explain to me why Brogan said this when i never bought XF in the first place, then i will give you credit.

The second is from a disgruntled member due to an issue they had with a site running XenForo software.
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:03
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
times will prove which product is better and most importantly which company behaves better toward customers.
Tell you what, you up for a bet Katie? We'll both put some money into a 3rd party escrow. I'll bet you 2 years from now, there will be more live XenForo sites running the latest version of XenForo at that time, than there will be vb5 live sites running in total.

Pretty safe bet for you based on your comments no?
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:03
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
Misleading in your own mind but perfectly true in reality.
Based on some of the replies in this thread it is more than just my "own" mind.

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If XF fans and Staff are still being intimidated by my posts, I seriously have to applaud them, that tells me that what i am saying is proven to be the truth and the truth hurts, we all know that.
You are confusing "being intimidated" with reacting to FUD. vB still has some loyal & ardent fans, so does IPB, XF, and a host of other forum applications. The problem comes in when they continue to talk about issues that they obviously don't understand as if what they are saying is the absolute truth when it isn't. Before repeatedly slamming a different product, where the person may or may not have had a very public issue and is now obviously biased against it, they really need to be familiar with the topics at hand before comparing the merits of Product X versus Product Y.
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:04
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
the truth hurts, we all know that.
If you want to talk about the truth katie, post up the full, unedited version of the ticket you had with the xenforo staff, so we can see the truth behind what you really said to them. It will be enlightening and put much of your posts into a real context and light

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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:14
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Originally Posted by KW802 View Post
Based on some of the replies in this thread it is more than just my "own" mind.

You are confusing "being intimidated" with reacting to FUD. vB still has some loyal & ardent fans, so does IPB, XF, and a host of other forum applications. The problem comes in when they continue to talk about issues that they obviously don't understand as if what they are saying is the absolute truth when it isn't. Before repeatedly slamming a different product, where the person may or may not have had a very public issue and is now obviously biased against it, they really need to be familiar with the topics at hand before comparing the merits of Product X versus Product Y.
Again, intimidated. Those who are so sure of themselves, shouldn't care really. But because XF isn't sure about itself, it is getting intimidated by the truth.

Just let customers find the truth between XF and VB and choose what they like instead of overshadowing the truth. I've seen how it works on XF pre-sale's section when customers asks them if XF has this set of x features from VB.

Originally Posted by Necrovaris View Post
If you want to talk about the truth katie, post up the full, unedited version of the ticket you had with the xenforo staff, so we can see the truth behind what you really said to them.
Tell your buddies at XF to show you the ticket history, and when you find the shocking truth, you will be shamed of XF's actions but i know you will give XF yet another excuse.

Don't forget what Paul said.

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We have no interest in why someone may have been restricted or banned from other sites.

It is not our concern, nor could we verify the truth or change the result - do not continue down that route, the posts will be removed and if it persists, further action taken.

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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:21
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
Tell your buddies at XF to show you the ticket history, and when you find the shocking truth, you will be shamed of XF's actions but i know you will give XF yet another excuse.

Don't forget what Paul said.
PM me a link to it. You know they wont give it to me if I ask them, but since your implying your ok with me reading it, just send me the link in PM.


I see you skipped over this post...


Tell you what, you up for a bet Katie? We'll both put some money into a 3rd party escrow. I'll bet you 2 years from now, there will be more live XenForo sites running the latest version of XenForo at that time, than there will be vb5 live sites running in total.


So how about it?
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:21
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
Again, intimidated. Those who are so sure of themselves, shouldn't care really. But because XF isn't sure about itself, it is getting intimidated by the truth.

Just let customers find the truth between XF and VB and choose what they like instead of overshadowing the truth. I've seen how it works on XF pre-sale's section when customers asks them if XF has this set of x features from VB.

If you dare to reply there saying the truth and what XF lacks, you're account will be restricted and your comments will be deleted.
You keep using the word "intimidated" but in the completely wrong context; is that really the word you're trying to come up with?
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Old 26 Mar 2014, 23:25
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I would really love to stick around, but i have to leave soon. It was nice shedding some of the truth.

Next time, will compare the product's features (VB vs XF) features. I think this should set the tone right for which product is better at the moment.
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Old 27 Mar 2014, 00:15
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I really don't understand your point being that you're the one who made the plugin for VB 4.x https://marketplace.digitalpoint.com...tin-4.870/item



Your comment is contradicting with your statement.



We are running in a weird circle here. Not everyone needs Sphinx, only big boards with many topics, posts and members and in my case Sphinx was very helpful. But then again having the best is always better, just like servers when it comes to cores, rams, and hard drives. You're always looking for better servers at a very good price even if your site doesn't need a very powerful server.

So out of the box, if a customer buys a VB software and we know VB 5.x will be better, it just needs time just as much as XF needs at least 2 years to catch up to VB but if a customer buys a VB 5.x and uses its Sphinx search and his or her forum became popular, he or she knows quite well that he or she will benefit from the Sphinx search.
Right... what I'm saying is that just because vB5 uses Sphinx, it doesn't make it's search good. You are confusing correlation with causation.

Sphinx is a technology... just like PHP is. All sites built with PHP are not great sites (they can be, but not necessarily). Just like all search engines built with Sphinx are not necessarily great search engines. All I know is that whatever whacky search engine they built for vB5 is more or less useless if you actually want to find something.

And yes, I will say unequivocally that the search engine I built with Sphinx for vB4 is exponentially better than the one vBulletin built for vB5 with Sphinx. The one I made actually works if you want to search for something (for example).
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Old 27 Mar 2014, 18:34
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Right... what I'm saying is that just because vB5 uses Sphinx, it doesn't make it's search good. You are confusing correlation with causation.

Sphinx is a technology... just like PHP is. All sites built with PHP are not great sites (they can be, but not necessarily). Just like all search engines built with Sphinx are not necessarily great search engines. All I know is that whatever whacky search engine they built for vB5 is more or less useless if you actually want to find something.

And yes, I will say unequivocally that the search engine I built with Sphinx for vB4 is exponentially better than the one vBulletin built for vB5 with Sphinx. The one I made actually works if you want to search for something (for example).
We do know that VB 5.x has many issues and it will take time for them to fix these issues (front-end and back-end) and make the features work all together properly. But in the mean time, we don't need to degrade Vbulletin as a whole product because there is a successful version of it Vb 4.x and most probably the best out there and surpassing XF in many ways.

What XF fans are forgetting is that VB 4.x is still around with all its complete features and it is very stable. For me to say XF is better than VB 4.x would be utterly a lie.

So no matter how they switch words around, we know VB 5.x and XF needs time to improve, and for me, that estimate for both of them would be 1 - 2 years to see how well each product improved.

We do know that XF isn't as popular as VB, and that explains why many still love VB. XF fans wants to make it sound otherwise but they can't deny when a XF staff says this just today.

Unfortunately, of those who actually use each add-on, the percentage who take the time to rate/review/like/post is very low.
XF addons doesn't receive many rates and reviews because not many have installed it and use it.

For me i want to see a product with great features and innovation - a product with great features which makes use of interactive design that meets 2014 web design. Unfortunately, neither XF nor VB 5.x met this level yet. So i am still waiting, in the mean time using VB 4.x which is the best for me so far.

The level of features between VB 4.x and XF is pretty obvious, so why deny it is beyond my understanding.

http://forum.nihonomaru.com/member/rina-touin.1/ vs. http://xenforo.com/community/members/kier.2/

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Old 27 Mar 2014, 18:54
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Originally Posted by katie hunter View Post
We do know that VB 5.x has many issues and it will take time for them to fix these issues (front-end and back-end) and make the features work all together properly. But in the mean time, we don't need to degrade Vbulletin as a whole product because there is a successful version of it Vb 4.x and most probably the best out there and surpassing XF in many ways.

What XF fans are forgetting is that VB 4.x is still around with all its complete features and it is very stable. For me to say XF is better than VB 4.x would be utterly a lie.

So no matter how they switch words around, we know VB 5.x and XF needs time to improve, and for me, that estimate for both of them would be 1 - 2 years to see how well each product improved.

We do know that XF isn't as popular as VB, and that explains why many still love VB. XF fans wants to make it sound otherwise but they can't deny when a XF staff says this just today.
Not sure what any of that has to do with Sphinx... All I was saying is that the Sphinx implementation they built for vB5 is not good, that's all. No clue about the whole XF vs. vB debate (nor do I really care since what other people do/don't like really doesn't affect me, so...)

Bottom line, vB5's Sphinx implementation is pretty crappy if you want to actually find search results. I suspect vB staff wouldn't disagree.
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Old 27 Mar 2014, 19:00
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Not sure what any of that has to do with Sphinx... All I was saying is that the Sphinx implementation they built for vB5 is not good, that's all. No clue about the whole XF vs. vB debate (nor do I really care since what other people do/don't like really doesn't affect me, so...)

Bottom line, vB5's Sphinx implementation is pretty crappy if you want to actually find search results. I suspect vB staff wouldn't disagree.
And we never said that VB 5.x doesn't have many issues.
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Old 27 Mar 2014, 19:47
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Saying vBulletin is better because there are more add-ons is stupid. vBulletin has been around longer and obviously have more add-ons because of this. That does in no way compare the two softwares.
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Old 27 Mar 2014, 20:02
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Saying vBulletin is better because there are more add-ons is stupid. vBulletin has been around longer and obviously have more add-ons because of this. That does in no way compare the two softwares.
Having more add ons makes it easier and better for the end user. Who cares why?
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