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Old 23 Apr 2009, 08:52
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Originally Posted by unenergizer View Post
IonCube FTW!

This encrypting has it's benefits and it has it's downfalls like every other software available. However it is entirely up to the software developer to use the tools in an appropriate fashion. Every comment has been so biased it's not even funny. Consider that IonCube has potentially saved developers millions, yes I said millions, in revenue. The soul developer of a particular project utilizing IonCube is to blame for any grievances between the customers/users using it (the project).

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why are the comments biased ? we simply saying if something is encoded with iOncube then we wont purchase it - choice is ours.
Now why is that biased - i drive a Toyota am i then biased towards Nissan for not buying their jeep instead ?
It all boils down to choice and u say above that it has saved millions for developers - where are these figures coming from because how much has it also lost the developer as well ??
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 12:57
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I think my comments have been far from bias. I rant against a particular use of encrypting, and state that I do not believe encrypting itself is bad, and might even someday use it myself.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 13:32
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why are the comments biased ? we simply saying if something is encoded with iOncube then we wont purchase it - choice is ours.
Now why is that biased - i drive a Toyota am i then biased towards Nissan for not buying their jeep instead ?
It all boils down to choice and u say above that it has saved millions for developers - where are these figures coming from because how much has it also lost the developer as well ??
i believe those figures are false.I can say and wont mention couple of web developer site that i had purchase there product fully licensed, and now they are useless because all i get is errors something in the script that requires info from the developer website and they are no longer up.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 13:41
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there is a difference between encrypting your script and hiding a call-home function in that encryption to verify the usage of a pirated version... which is far from being useful, it's just bandwidth hungry and non-prpductive. these developers always think their site will be up indefinitely, because they are allmighty...
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 14:39
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Another point - it's kinda useless to encrypt scripts - for all of the known encoders also decoders exist and since PHP's source is available, it's possible to modify it that instead of parsing the plain code comes out.
At all - the money these encoders cost isn't well spent, it won't keep the "bad guys" out so using them gives just some kind of a fake protection.
A good license is maybe better, either people care about the license, then you won't need an encoder or they don't care, for the second group of people an encoder isn't a huge problem, maybe just a small one finding the right decoder but that's it.

Personally - in a world of injections, XSS flaws and these problems I wouldn't install and run a "binary only" script on a production system for simple security reasons and other reasons already posted - like a stopped development.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 15:27
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Originally Posted by nexialys View Post
there is a difference between encrypting your script and hiding a call-home function in that encryption to verify the usage of a pirated version... which is far from being useful, it's just bandwidth hungry and non-prpductive. these developers always think their site will be up indefinitely, because they are allmighty...

na, nex i know the difference but it was encrypted, but when i had someone look at it, he made a comment something to a call back not to sure exactly.All i know it was working fine and the next thing it wasn't all it was doing is giving me errors.

I could have been an ass and pay someone to decrypt it and null it for me but i choose not too.But that was years ago life move on and a lesson learned.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 18:54
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I don't particularly care if any of you agree or not with me on this subject.
Just saying so don't flip out, cause your not the "ALL MIGHTY Himself."


Let's just say if I could encrypt my VB styles, I would in a heart beat. IonCube protects your investment much like an insurance company protects your home or automobile. Except IonCube isn't susceptible to hurricane and flood damages. :/
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 18:56
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why encrypt a style?... i can fetch all your styles in the twist of a hand, because you have demos on your site... even if the release is encrypted, what will it do to protect each page viewed from it to not be leeched?

styles encryption is pointless... same way when you see a site where a javascript is avoiding the usage of the right-click button... they never knew there was a menu on top of the browser...
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 19:19
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Originally Posted by unenergizer View Post
I don't particularly care if any of you agree or not with me on this subject.
Just saying so don't flip out, cause your not the "ALL MIGHTY Himself."


Let's just say if I could encrypt my VB styles, I would in a heart beat. IonCube protects your investment much like an insurance company protects your home or automobile. Except IonCube isn't susceptible to hurricane and flood damages. :/
then you would`nt sell any styles would you.
Also who is not the almighty ? bit strong coming from someone who thinks he a gaysta,sorry my mistake - Gangsta
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 21:10
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why encrypt a style?...
Originally Posted by nexialys View Post
i can fetch all your styles in the twist of a hand, because you have demos on your site
Now I hope you understand why I said I would encrypt if I could. You just said yourself that with the know how it can be ripped and distributed. You just reiterated my point. Thank you.

I would only Encrypt FREE Styles to prevent my link from getting deleted. Why do people remove the link from the free skins, is a link too MUCH to ask for? I don't release skins here to be nice, I do it to drive traffic. Period. I have had too many bad experience on this site to really invest for the "greater good" of the software (vbulletin). I'm not saying I going to stop paying them so Mods or anyone else please don't panic.

Ranting again sry lol
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 21:28
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i understand the value and the time that you guys put in to creating a software and protecting it afterward.But i believe the cost of purchasing that program and encrypting it is kinda useless, for someone that can crack it.Someone at vb.com or i think it was here had mention that, it don't bother them that much ! but if anything it helps them to improve there software to track for any security holes and can improve there performance.

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Old 23 Apr 2009, 21:43
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hmmmm, I just have to post and point some things I been through

-First time I installed vbulletin was a pirated copy, got caught then I really loved the software that I actually bought a owned license. Currently Own 3.

Same with vbseo and vbtube, in the internet you can find anything for free, even better much better scripts its just when someone is ready to pay its going to pay and when someone doesn't really want to pay, he WILL NEVER pay.

Even thought I consider my self a pirate, I often contribute to the "scene" because remember we are not all fortunate, I personally I know tons of great people that can't afford many of this scripts but there's always two sides of the coin.

I know it's way off topic, I actually know some of the members here posting on this thread actually started at vbulletin using nulled copies of vbulletin.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 22:00
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I know it's way off topic, I actually know some of the members here posting on this thread actually started at vbulletin using nulled copies of vbulletin.
hum, i can add to this... 90% of the coders here started with a client's vB or a nulled one to see how it work and if it worth coding for it...

a lot of designers and coders can not work on vB from a client's request because you have to purchase it to play with it... most of the other projects have free versions we can test, but not vB... so the coders have a real need of a nulled version to start playing with, and most of the time they are seduced, so they purchase a license, even if it's just to be able to code/sell for it.
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 22:27
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I know it's way off topic, I actually know some of the members here posting on this thread actually started at vbulletin using nulled copies of vbulletin.
who that might be ??? !!! i know you and i didn't start off with a null copy.....
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Old 23 Apr 2009, 23:13
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hum, he just stated the opposite in his last comment... tsss
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