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Old 12 Mar 2006, 23:09
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Originally Posted by 7thgenCivic.Com
who has the $$ upfront to fork out for that option? Then what happens when a drive dies? memory goes bad? You have to buy it ship it to them and get them to install for a fee.

colo=waste of money
If you are a successful site, you should have a good, steady advertising revenue to work with. If a drive dies, your co-locator will charge you a per hour to replace a hard drive. Our co-locator even has hardware available for emergencies.

colo=saving lots of money in the long run

You will also be able to have more powerful hardware for your server. MOST dedicated server providers use the typical "Dual 2.8 GHz Xeon" setup.

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Do you own a car?

It all depends on what is right for you.
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Old 12 Mar 2006, 23:25
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Ads expense: Thinking about $750/day ads and other ads $200/month
You have the cash to pay $750 a day on advertising? Egad! Good for you, but, dang...

After you buy your own servers (and co-locate), the bandwidth and server space prices aren't expensive at all.
Keyword is after. There are a number of times when I think colocation is a good deal (ie, when you want a really really nice server, or lots of bandwidth) you can't generalize that to mean all dedicated servers are bad deals. They're tools and both have different advantages and disadvantages... use one when it's more appropriate over the alternative.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 02:38
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Originally Posted by kerplunknet
Dedicated servers = waste of money.

After you buy your own servers (and co-locate), the bandwidth and server space prices aren't expensive at all.
That's what we do. Colo fees are $50 a month right now, so it seems to be a better solution until we upgrade our server next year.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 15:56
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That's what we do. Colo fees are $50 a month right now, so it seems to be a better solution until we upgrade our server next year.
I pay about 300 a month for 1/3 cage and 1/2 a megabit. I run other stuff besides my forum - but my forum is paying its share of the hosting fee - I make about 150 a month off adsense right now. I have to colocate cause I am the type of person who has to own and maintin thier own stuff.. so its a great deal for me.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 18:50
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Where are all these cheap colos you guys are using? I've never seen anything less than $500/month, but I've never looked that hard, either.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 19:12
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so it looks like colo is the way to go, so long as its local?
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 20:59
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Originally Posted by cirisme
Where are all these cheap colos you guys are using? I've never seen anything less than $500/month, but I've never looked that hard, either.
We use the colo store.

so it looks like colo is the way to go, so long as its local?
Well, like anything, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. But colo is ultimately more cost efficient and does what we need. And, since we own the server, its easy to move it (the physical server) to a new host if the need arises. So, if you're looking to go dedicated and don't want to spend money to have it managed, then colo is a good choice. As to the local comment, I'm not sure what you mean, as things like reboots are handled by the company you colocate with.
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Old 14 Mar 2006, 03:15
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Originally Posted by Yorixz
Uh, on my board (almost a year running now with 15k members (weekly pruned), 200k posts, roughly 50k hits per day) we're luckely being sponsored, it's not too big though, that's a fact. Using about 70gigs a month of the bandwidth, the rent for the dedicated server costs about 69 a month. Right now we haven't got ad's so theres no income, the host has a fulltime job though.
Out of curiosity, why are you pruning??

Originally Posted by 7thgenCivic.Com
who has the $$ upfront to fork out for that option? Then what happens when a drive dies? memory goes bad? You have to buy it ship it to them and get them to install for a fee.
colo=waste of money
I wonder how much RAM and other things I can buy with the $500.00 a month we will save going COLO. Not to mention the servers we are getting are considerably more powerful than anything offered in most leased dedicated server outfits. If you compare what it would cost to lease the equipment we need we would probably save $1k a month.

A lot of people don't start out with the money to purchase them (used to be us) but when you can swing it... You will save a lot of money and have better equipment. Heck, you can get nice servers relatively cheap now days. Check out www.apaqdigital.com . They are custom building what we need for a really great price.

Originally Posted by cirisme
Where are all these cheap colos you guys are using? I've never seen anything less than $500/month, but I've never looked that hard, either.
The average COLO rate I see is about $99/mo for 1u-2u or min-tower. Where we run into problems is the 1/2 megabit setup they offer that utilizes an average system for bandwidth. We burst sometimes up to 5 megs out during peak and then barely trickle at late hours, but none of colo's using this could tell me that I won't be billed for more because I averaged more than their 512 for a sustained period. I really would like to have my servers locally but I think I'm going to send them to dedicatednow since I can get 2000 gigs a month and it does not matter if I have certain periods that are really high.

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Old 14 Mar 2006, 21:09
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Where we run into problems is the 1/2 megabit setup they offer that utilizes an average system for bandwidth. We burst sometimes up to 5 megs out during peak and then barely trickle at late hours, but none of colo's using this could tell me that I won't be billed for more because I averaged more than their 512 for a sustained period. I really would like to have my servers locally but I think I'm going to send them to dedicatednow since I can get 2000 gigs a month and it does not matter if I have certain periods that are really high.
I'm guessing you are talking about 95th percentile billing. The easiest way to see what you would fall into is install something like MRTG or Cacti. Graph your local interfaces and see what your average comes out to be under 95th billing. To do this on MRTG you will have to patch it.
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Old 14 Mar 2006, 21:14
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Thanks for the info, Prohacker. Yup.. The good ole percentile billing. Will get that added and see where I am.
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 02:30
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Approx. 800 €/month.
Obviously co-location would be cheaper, but to buy the hardware would have costed around 10.000 €, we would have to deal with defective hardware our selves, have to keep system software secure, etc.
As it is now, the machines are managed and so we don't have to worry about that.
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