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Old 24 Mar 2004, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Dark Shogun
Just like the lockdown hack isn't allow they can ban this and any other hack without a reason.
They can prevent it from being distributed here, sure. They can't prevent people from using it, though.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 12:43
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Originally Posted by Morrus
They can prevent it from being distributed here, sure. They can't prevent people from using it, though.
Thats true. A lot of people including myself have already downloaded this and the author may choose to release it somewhere else if they don't allow it here or at vbulletin-germany.com. It just seems a shame that the legality of this is even an issue.

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Old 24 Mar 2004, 12:58
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I actually have a copy of the hack ... and was going to install it untill it was moved, I have decided to wait for the outcome before i use it.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 13:25
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I think it could take a few days. I think it would be prudent on Jelsofts part not only to review the code but to run it past thier lawyers... If Jelsoft gives the okay about this hack, then it may potentially impact their claims when they pursue real pirates. So this is gonna be a catch 22.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 13:35
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Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra
I think it could take a few days. I think it would be prudent on Jelsofts part not only to review the code but to run it past thier lawyers... If Jelsoft gives the okay about this hack, then it may potentially impact their claims when they pursue real pirates. So this is gonna be a catch 22.
i agree with you, There are a lot more things here that has to be taken into consideration here. I wouldnt want my license voided if the investigation is negative and i am using the hack
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 13:39
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Originally Posted by sabret00the
you need my groups hack instead of this one

alas i'm the wrong person to get involved in this debate, my compassion concerning this subject isn't what the rest of yours is.

from an admin PoV making revenue, i say buy an add-on license, solves all problems and you continue making money.

from jelsoft, it's a snuff in terms of revenue but alas with an add-on license it's all good.

as i said, the best option would be for jelsoft to buy out the code and release it ASAP.
to that effect, you would (or should) buy a new license every time you create a subforum and put a moderator in charge of it!
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:40
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Originally Posted by trafix
i agree with you, There are a lot more things here that has to be taken into consideration here. I wouldnt want my license voided if the investigation is negative and i am using the hack
The license doesn't automatically get voided just because one party decides so; it gets voided in instances of breach. That's why we have licenses - if it were just a case of "do whatever Jelsoft says" then why have a license at all? Why bother writing one and getting people to agree to it? That's the whole point of licenses: so that both parties are clear as to their obligations.

I'm not using the hack, so it's almost immaterial to me other than an intellectual excercise. However, if I were using it, and Jelsoft were to to tell me that doing so was a "breach" of the license, I would challenge that - because it's not. I certainly wouldn't stop using it.

Jelsoft would then need to test their license in court - and I'm positive that they would not succeed in such a test.

That all said, I think I'm going to bow out of this conversation as it doesn't affect me. I'm really just sticking my nose into other peoples' business.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:47
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Originally Posted by SpeedStreet
to that effect, you would (or should) buy a new license every time you create a subforum and put a moderator in charge of it!
ok hopefully the last post on the subject.

how many of the subforum sites members will actually contribute to your community, will you run a community or just let your subforums make use of your license, how active a roll will you play in the subforums, how much input will you have into the subforums, what about moderation, will that be based on global rules? what if one of the sub-forums is something that you didn't envisage, how much of the content are you going to check to make sure it doesn't void your license? what will the subforums communitys be called? and will the members of said subforums even know you exist?
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:47
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Originally Posted by SpeedStreet
to that effect, you would (or should) buy a new license every time you create a subforum and put a moderator in charge of it!
exactly..

and then trying to pimp your own hack in a thread relating to a discussion of another is downright tasteless, at best, and stupid at worst..

there is no license violation, there is no issue this hack generating revenue vB itself won't see.. there is no issue.. the only issue existing is the fact people want something they now can't get due to someones idealistic view of something that isn't even said in the vB license.. zachaery/faranth/whatever he's called claiming this to be on par witht he lockdown hack is not only stupid, it's idiotic.. they are not even on the same level of hack nor with the same "possible" intention.. sabretoothe jumping on this like it's hot wax for anal hair and praising something not in the LA and then pimping his own upcoming hack is just as rediculous..

now, if a decision is to be made.. make it.. putting this kind of thing off is not only wrong for the forums, it wrong for the creator, users and wanna-be installers of this hack or any other facing this same decision..

this is, at this point, getting intolerable to see everything run amuk and no one caring on the upper levels enough to stop all of it and deal with it in a very reasonable manner.. if users want, deal with the users, even if they can't have.. don't put this stuff off and then pass it off as having no time.. if you have no time, don't disrupt in the first place..
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:58
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Originally Posted by 13th_Disciple
now, if a decision is to be made.. make it.. putting this kind of thing off is not only wrong for the forums, it wrong for the creator, users and wanna-be installers of this hack or any other facing this same decision..

this is, at this point, getting intolerable to see everything run amuk and no one caring on the upper levels enough to stop all of it and deal with it in a very reasonable manner.. if users want, deal with the users, even if they can't have.. don't put this stuff off and then pass it off as having no time.. if you have no time, don't disrupt in the first place..
Thank you, you are writing exactly what I'm thinking...
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:58
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Originally Posted by 13th_Disciple
and then trying to pimp your own hack in a thread relating to a discussion of another is downright tasteless, at best, and stupid at worst..
please don't take it so seriously, if i release my hack it won't even be for another 6-8 months at best and that's if i release it! (i still have to learn to code first ) obviously my boyant mood isn't compatible with vb.org members today

/me shall edit the tasteless post in question.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 14:59
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Another thing, could someone please tell me what this lockdown hack you all talk about is/was? Seems I wasn't here that time...
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 15:00
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the lockdown hack is "you must post in order to see the content of this thread" basically like a register in the thread.
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 15:16
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Originally Posted by sabret00the
ok hopefully the last post on the subject.

how many of the subforum sites members will actually contribute to your community, will you run a community or just let your subforums make use of your license, how active a roll will you play in the subforums, how much input will you have into the subforums, what about moderation, will that be based on global rules? what if one of the sub-forums is something that you didn't envisage, how much of the content are you going to check to make sure it doesn't void your license? what will the subforums communitys be called? and will the members of said subforums even know you exist?
I have a hammer in my garage. That hammer was purchased from Home Depot with the implied agreement that I would use it to hammer things. If I use it to prop open a door, have I violated the terms of that agreement?

Furthermore, that hammer can do alot of great things. IMAGINE IT! I could build a house with that hammer! I could make a birds house for sick little birds...I might even use it to hang a picture next to my computer! But then again, I could also use it to build a shell casing for a weapon of mass desctruction. I could use it to bludgeon the head of a person I don't like anymore. I could use it to destroy my house, instead of improve upon it.

The point here is that damn near everything in this world can be used for good or evil. What gives any organization the right to tell us how to use the product we purchase from them? Banning a hack like this would be like the US Government saying that there is a mandatory 5 day waiting period on aluminum tubing because they *might* be used in the process of enriching uranium.

I understand that Jelsoft is interested in protecting their product, but there is a fine line between protectionism and isolationism...
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Old 24 Mar 2004, 15:36
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Originally Posted by SpeedStreet
I have a hammer in my garage. That hammer was purchased from Home Depot with the implied agreement that I would use it to hammer things. If I use it to prop open a door, have I violated the terms of that agreement?

Furthermore, that hammer can do alot of great things. IMAGINE IT! I could build a house with that hammer! I could make a birds house for sick little birds...I might even use it to hang a picture next to my computer! But then again, I could also use it to build a shell casing for a weapon of mass desctruction. I could use it to bludgeon the head of a person I don't like anymore. I could use it to destroy my house, instead of improve upon it.

The point here is that damn near everything in this world can be used for good or evil. What gives any organization the right to tell us how to use the product we purchase from them? Banning a hack like this would be like the US Government saying that there is a mandatory 5 day waiting period on aluminum tubing because they *might* be used in the process of enriching uranium.

I understand that Jelsoft is interested in protecting their product, but there is a fine line between protectionism and isolationism...
damned! I totally agree. Nice story btw.

I have a copy of this hack and i'll wait till the first stable is out or when jelsoft made their decision (whatever comes first )
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