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Old 25 Mar 2004, 03:43
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yeah.. but sadly they can keep you from getting your hands on it if they don't want it on their site(s)..

i disagree 1000% percent with the idea this hack is illegal, against the LA, or will do jelsoft harm.. what is doing the harm here, at least in my opinion, is the oppression of certain things based on someone elses understanding, or lack there of, of the current LA and no real clarification of things for days or weeks at a time..
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 03:44
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
If these subforums are for the purposes of your international organization then you are not against the license agreement. If however you are creating forums for additional organizations and therefore sub-licensing vBulletin, then you are violating the license.
Wayne just gave the answer folks.

1. The website entity owns the VB license. In other words, the license belongs to "MyWebsite Club", running vb as forums.mywebsite.com. Be sure to write by-laws and/or a constitution and elect the minimum officers required by law, normally a President, VP and secretary. Treasurers are required if money is exchanged (ie membership dues)

2. As part of the registration, members agree that they are also members of "MyWebSite Club". Now they are part owner of the VB license, since it is owned by the entity, not an individual. A single individual is merely the point-of-contact.

3. Any club member in good standing, as dictated by the by-laws can create any number of sub-forums. Any look and feel and any topic. It is not a license violation since they are part owner.

And that is that.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 03:54
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
Here is my example to prove my point: http://www.vbulletinmods.com/index.php?

Go ahead and sign up and you can have your own hosted community in as little as five minutes.

And irregardless of the statements about this making mods' lives easier, the way it is set up there is the intent and purpose of the this hack. At stated by the original post and by the options provided.
I just did and guess what? If you go to court and try to claim this sublicenses VB, you will get your head handed to you by the judge.

Can I manage smilies, avatars, PM, users, calendars? Can I turn off searches? No on all accounts.

I find it laughable that anyone would claim this very, very limited functionality is a relicense or sublicense.

YOU INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE.

If, by providing us access to a working hack you hoped to make your point, you fell woefully short. You only exposed the weakness of your assertion.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 03:57
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Originally Posted by trafix
Oh dear god ....

How can he investigate the hack and find out exactly what it does without installing it!
With the test board that, according to the LA, he can run on a server not available to the public.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 03:59
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I don't understand why you guys are getting so worked up over this hack, jelsoft has a right to pull anything posted on this site if they belive it violates the licensed agreement, they have stated that the hack will be reviewed and a answer come soon.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:00
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VB made thier decision and expressed the concerns they had and are willing to work with the creator of the hack to modify the code so its suitable for every ones needs and interests. Aside from whinning what do you hope to gain by this?
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:13
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Originally Posted by Brad.loo
I don't understand why you guys are getting so worked up over this hack, jelsoft has a right to pull anything posted on this site if they belive it violates the licensed agreement, they have stated that the hack will be reviewed and a answer come soon.
All the more reason for a VB Hackers community not under Jelsoft's thumb.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:19
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Personally I find the fact that they pulled it weak. BUT as was claimed here it is their site so let them do what they want with it. Having the creator of that hack remake it or edit a lot of stuff is just plain wrong in my opinion and stifles the creativity of the creator.

Wait I just came up with an idea. Why not pass all hacks that are made from now on through vbulletin.com's staff so they can approve it before everyone else sees it that way nothing like this will EVER happen again.

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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:21
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Originally Posted by FASherman
All the more reason for a VB Hackers community not under Jelsoft's thumb.
/agree.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:26
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Just to play devils advocate,... since it is a copyright violation for anyone to share the vbulletin code, don't you think that jelsoft could shut down a hack site if they felt that particular site was stretching the spirit of the agreement?

I think alot of people need to learn the value of compromising. When you draw a hard line in the sand then that forces the other party to take an equally hard stance... in the end thats unpleasant for everyone where-as a willingness to work with each other fosters harmony and help everyone reach thier mutal goals faster.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:28
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Originally Posted by Reeve of shinra
Just to play devils advocate,... since it is a copyright violation for anyone to share the vbulletin code, don't you think that jelsoft could shut down a hack site if they felt that particular site was stretching the spirit of the agreement?

I think alot of people need to learn the value of compromising. When you draw a hard line in the sand then that forces the other party to take an equally hard stance... in the end thats unpleasant for everyone where-as a willingness to work with each other fosters harmony and help everyone reach thier mutal goals faster.
Very well said and I agree 100%.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:54
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Originally Posted by FASherman
YOU INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE..
Actually you insult your own intelligence and until such time as you can actually act as a Human Being, I reserve the right to totally disregard anything you say.

I am actually interested in working a way out so this hack is available...
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 04:56
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Originally Posted by Dark Shogun
Wait I just came up with an idea. Why not pass all hacks that are made from now on through vbulletin.com's staff so they can approve it before everyone else sees it that way nothing like this will EVER happen again.
This could definately be a possibility. At the very least it would allow quality control.
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 05:14
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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
This could definately be a possibility. At the very least it would allow quality control.
QA is one of the main things that we hopt to focus on at EVB once we finalise the details
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Old 25 Mar 2004, 05:30
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Originally Posted by trafix
QA is one of the main things that we hopt to focus on at EVB once we finalise the details
lol. hi, you don't know me, but i found that amusing. and yes, i like shiny things.

going back to the topic, i don't see what all the fuss is about though i can't fault jelsoft for being overly cautious. i just hope that they come to their senses and realize the immense positives that can come from this hack not only for jelsoft but the site owners and communities everywhere that are proud to use vB.
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