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View Poll Results: What URL/IMG handling features would you like to see?
On-site URL opens in smae window. 14 82.35%
Option for attachments to open in smae/new window. 11 64.71%
Show hover text for on-site content (i.e., thread title). 11 64.71%
Specify a list or regexp's to disallow certain URL's 8 47.06%
Templates for URL and IMG insertion. (prepend for logging, counters, etc.) 9 52.94%
Auto conversion of on site to links to things like "Thread: Title". 15 88.24%
Restrict off-site URL usage by usergroup/user/reputation, etc. 11 64.71%
Restrict IMG usage by usergroup/user/reputation, etc. 12 70.59%
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:47
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What URL features do you want?

URL's and IMG's in posts

Would you like to see URL and IMG handling improved? There have been various discussions here and there about URL handling in posts and what it should or should not do. The one that bugs me is opening a new window when the content is on-site, which applies to posting links to posts or threads or using [post] or [thread].

Vote away for the features you would like to see and post a little text if there is something not in the poll.

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Old 16 Aug 2004, 12:58
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Mind me asking, but what exactly is this for? I don't think I followed the prior discussions. I might be able to contribute to the poll.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 13:08
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There were no specific discussions per se, just various threads/posts concerning complaints or desires centered around the handling of URL's and IMG's in user posts. My apologies if the poll questions are not self-explanatory.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 14:43
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What's this thread for? vB.org or some site of yours? *confused*
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Chris Gwynne
What's this thread for? vB.org or some site of yours? *confused*
Just a question of other site administrators regarding features they would like to see in vBulletin. Just curious if others find the current [URL] and [IMG] handling sufficient.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 14:56
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Originally Posted by CarCdr
URL's and IMG's in posts

Would you like to see URL and IMG handling improved? There have been various discussions here and there about URL handling in posts and what it should or should not do. The one that bugs me is opening a new window when the content is on-site, which applies to posting links to posts or threads or using [post] or [thread].

Vote away for the features you would like to see and post a little text if there is something not in the poll.

C.C
As I was going through the poll, I was thinking "I actually could use that." I hope the developers implement almost all of these solutions (although some can be stressful on the database).
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 15:08
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Originally Posted by filburt1
As I was going through the poll, I was thinking "I actually could use that." I hope the developers implement almost all of these solutions (although some can be stressful on the database).
Good point. Some of the proposed features would require a query when the post is parsed, but given the relative infrequency of URL's in posts, it would be a small penalty.

As an example, converting the link
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68398
to
What URL features do you want? (CarCdr)

would, as you point out, require a query on that threadid.
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Old 16 Aug 2004, 16:50
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Here are cases of on-site content that could be translated into more friendly looking/acting links in posts. I am not speaking of vbulletin.org here, just using it in these examples. The idea would be to have vBulletin itself translate the links in a more user-friendly way.


THREAD
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68129
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...0&page=2&pp=10
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...ght=size+limit

Automatically translates to something like
Subject of thread, Username


POST
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...046#post719046
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...mit#post540678
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showp...06&postcount=1

Automatically translates to something like
Subject of post, Username


MEMBER
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=4514

Automatically translates to something like
Member: Username


FORUM
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=55

Automatically translates to something like
Forum: Forumname
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 13:34
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I tagged tham all, and would only iterate that I'd love to be able to indicate that a link iss "off-site" with a small image - seen this on a number of sites (non-vB).

Great idea - probably possible to offset some of the queries with the datastore...
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Natch
I tagged tham all, and would only iterate that I'd love to be able to indicate that a link iss "off-site" with a small image - seen this on a number of sites (non-vB).

Great idea - probably possible to offset some of the queries with the datastore...
Good ideas Natch.

Doesn't seem to be much interest though. Our site is testing two simple mod's listed in the above options:

1. Open threads/posts in the same window (not new window).
2. Threads/posts show as titles rather than plain URL's.

I like your idea of something special to mark off-site content, although I am not sure I like the icon idea more than marking the text itself differently (i.e., font or style change).
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 20:13
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Originally Posted by CarCdr
Here are cases of on-site content that could be translated into more friendly looking/acting links in posts. I am not speaking of vbulletin.org here, just using it in these examples. The idea would be to have vBulletin itself translate the links in a more user-friendly way.


THREAD
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68129
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...0&page=2&pp=10
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...ght=size+limit

Automatically translates to something like
Subject of thread, Username


POST
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...046#post719046
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...mit#post540678
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showp...06&postcount=1

Automatically translates to something like
Subject of post, Username


MEMBER
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/member.php?u=4514

Automatically translates to something like
Member: Username


FORUM
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=55

Automatically translates to something like
Forum: Forumname

I really like that idea, and have wondered before if it was "doable". I find myself pasting links for FAQ items all the time, so I'll extend your example with:

FAQ
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/faq.p...q_new_faq_item

becomes
FAQ: Showing up as unlicensed?
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Old 17 Aug 2004, 20:27
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Yes but vBulletin hasn't got an AI of it's own. All this stuff would have to be manually coded in, and add to the bulk of the code. More regexp parsing when making posts, more overhead. It's not hard formatting your post to do what you said above you know
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 01:22
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Originally Posted by Dean C
Yes but vBulletin hasn't got an AI of it's own. All this stuff would have to be manually coded in, and add to the bulk of the code. More regexp parsing when making posts, more overhead. It's not hard formatting your post to do what you said above you know
Dean, with respect, doing the sorts of things we are talking about is what computers do best, not humans. This ain't AI, it's really straightforward machine translation.

The overhead would be pretty insiginificant for the sorts of transformations we are talking about. The parsing overhead for this in a post display cycle is near zero. The only overhead worth considering is when a call to verify_id forces a query. Of course, there is no overhead if the post is in the post cache.

As for bulk, the implementation for parsing showthread/showpost references (e.g., Thread: Title extract... by CarCdr or Post: Title extract... by Dean C is probably 50 lines of code, a very small addition to the many thousands of lines run in a post/thread display cycle.

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Old 18 Aug 2004, 01:33
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Originally Posted by 58sniper
I really like that idea, and have wondered before if it was "doable". I find myself pasting links for FAQ items all the time, so I'll extend your example with:

FAQ
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/faq.p...q_new_faq_item

becomes
FAQ: Showing up as unlicensed?
Ahhh.... I never thought of FAQ references.

Oh, it's doable. Like I said, we are already testing on-site references for posts. The others are just very similar cases.
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Old 18 Aug 2004, 07:49
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Ok so imagine the pseduo code:


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Suspended or Unlicensed Members Cannot View Code.

I can't see a more efficient way of doing it other than having perhaps a cache of the FAQ entries, that'd be fine for that. But what happens with threads, you have 10 urls in a post, check in one of the caches you might be thinking? Ok, 10 urls to a calendar event, 10 queries?

The fact remains that when you are adding a thread there is going to be a lot of extra processing involved, and on large boards, it's not going to be worth it other than for the sake of a little extra SEO. Can you imagine how much extra server-processing would be involved on a site like OTC ?

I do think your ideas are good, as the more and more useful your link descriptions are, then the more search-engine friendly they are. So, as long as it's an option and highlighted that it may not be suitable for large boards, then it'll work ok (on small boards).
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