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But honestly Paul - What do you think would happen if the bulk of vBulletin customers were to say that? "My site ain't broke, so there's no need to "fix" it to the broken vB-anything-above-3.8.x..."
I am not the bulk of vb customers, but I am one. I bought a vB3 license, updated it for several years, and I'm happy with my 3.8 site. It gives me and my users all we need. I can't say that there is anything in any more recent version that we *need* on my site. So, vB3.8 is where I will keep my site. (Of course, it's heavily modified and so the things I really need are nothing that will every be offered in the default software anyway.)
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Old 19 Mar 2013, 18:53
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But maybe before any radical moves like this ask people what they want by a poll cause for example I myself don't want any changes and I bet it would only complicate things.
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Old 19 Mar 2013, 23:53
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Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns View Post
Agreed.


This mentality just kills me. Well not really.

But honestly Paul - What do you think would happen if the bulk of vBulletin customers were to say that? "My site ain't broke, so there's no need to "fix" it to the broken vB-anything-above-3.8.x..."

vBulletin the software would have ceased to exist is what would happen. Anyway... Moving on....

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However, that's not really the issue. Which is the point I was trying to make with my last post. The real issue is who has the time to make all the changes. You and I both know that rebuilding a website is something you can, and should, only do when you have all the resources at your disposal. Having the know-how is one resource. Having the time to implement that know-how is another. (And having the time to standby and work out all the bugs of your new creation, is one thing more.)

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But maybe before any radical moves like this ask people what they want by a poll cause for example I myself don't want any changes and I bet it would only complicate things.
A website upgrade should be an administrative decision, not a user end one. They would know better than anyone whether it's appropriate or not.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 00:49
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So, vB3.8 is where I will keep my site. (Of course, it's heavily modified and so the things I really need are nothing that will every be offered in the default software anyway.)
Originally Posted by Digital Jedi View Post
A website upgrade should be an administrative decision, not a user end one. They would know better than anyone whether it's appropriate or not.
^. Done thread is done.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 19:14
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However, that's not really the issue. Which is the point I was trying to make with my last post. The real issue is who has the time to make all the changes. You and I both know that rebuilding a website is something you can, and should, only do when you have all the resources at your disposal. Having the know-how is one resource. Having the time to implement that know-how is another. (And having the time to standby and work out all the bugs of your new creation, is one thing more.)
I appreciate your response, but honestly, you make it seem as if vB.org is a hobbiest property. vB.org is not a hobbiest property, it is the official mod community of the vBulletin script. As such, I believe it should be running (flaunting as it should be called) the latest, greatest version of the software.

Unfortunately, it's my opinion that the latest, greatest version of vBulletin is 3.8.7 --- vB.org is running 3.6.x ---- If I were the proud owner of the vBulletin script, I'd have done either:

1. Instead of investing huge capital in a most bogus lawsuit -- whose purpose it seems was to wear down the competition -- spend that huge capital investing into vB.org - an official representative of vBulletin, the script.

2. Lawsuit aside. Invest in your official property. I'd have placed some of my contracted developers on vB.org - tasking them with upgrading the site from head to toe.

What I wouldn't do - is continually make excuses of how great vB.org works as-is.

And to answer your question DJ - Who could make all the changes, preparing the upgrade? Well... Paid IB developers of course, because again, vB.org is not a hobbiest property. It's a property which needs investing. And though the functionality is lovely for 3.6 series, the look is old & tired. Yeah - I'd invest immediately!

Hope this makes sense. And yeah - I know - Hate to keep beating a dead horse... But sometimes a dead horse just needs to be beat or at minimum - lathered up, cleaned and prepared for viewing :P LOL

J.

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Originally Posted by Lynne View Post
I am not the bulk of vb customers, but I am one. I bought a vB3 license, updated it for several years, and I'm happy with my 3.8 site. It gives me and my users all we need. I can't say that there is anything in any more recent version that we *need* on my site. So, vB3.8 is where I will keep my site. (Of course, it's heavily modified and so the things I really need are nothing that will every be offered in the default software anyway.)
Yeah - My poetry forum on vBulletin was heavily modified as well. I started out on vB 3.5.4 and over the course of 3-4 years ended with vB 3.8.7 --- I decided it was time to upgrade. Not being much a fan of vB after the 3 series (LOL) I decided to upgrade to another script.

I think -- more and more increasingly over time -- other vB 3.8 license holders will do the same.

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^. Done thread is done.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 21:38
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Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns View Post
But honestly Paul - What do you think would happen if the bulk of vBulletin customers were to say that?
What other sites do [or dont do] is up to them, and of no relevance to vbulletin.org.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 21:43
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Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns View Post
I appreciate your response, but honestly, you make it seem as if vB.org is a hobbiest property. vB.org is not a hobbiest property, it is the official mod community of the vBulletin script. As such, I believe it should be running (flaunting as it should be called) the latest, greatest version of the software.
This is completely untrue.

As has been covered many times now, vbulletin.org is not a "show" site. If you want to see the latest, visit vbulletin.com.
There is no requirement for this site to upgrade to anything just for the sake of upgrading. It would be a hell of a lot of work, even just to get to 3.8.7.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 22:48
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What other sites do [or dont do] is up to them, and of no relevance to vbulletin.org.
Yeah yeah yeah...
But you failed to answer my question, which truly has nothing to do with what vB.org is doing, but rather, how such an excuse (ain't broke - don't fix it) would bankrupt vBulletin Solutions Inc.

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This is completely untrue.

As has been covered many times now, vbulletin.org is not a "show" site. If you want to see the latest, visit vbulletin.com.
There is no requirement for this site to upgrade to anything just for the sake of upgrading. It would be a hell of a lot of work, even just to get to 3.8.7.
What is untrue? o.O
vB.org is owned by vBulletin Solutions/Internet Brands or no?
If yes - It most certainly SHOULD be a show site. Afterall ==> The site tagline is "The Official vBulletin Modifications Site." Perhaps it's time to change the tagline then? LOL
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 23:11
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I appreciate your response, but honestly, you make it seem as if vB.org is a hobbiest property. vB.org is not a hobbiest property, it is the official mod community of the vBulletin script. As such, I believe it should be running (flaunting as it should be called) the latest, greatest version of the software.

Unfortunately, it's my opinion that the latest, greatest version of vBulletin is 3.8.7 --- vB.org is running 3.6.x ---- If I were the proud owner of the vBulletin script, I'd have done either:

1. Instead of investing huge capital in a most bogus lawsuit -- whose purpose it seems was to wear down the competition -- spend that huge capital investing into vB.org - an official representative of vBulletin, the script.

2. Lawsuit aside. Invest in your official property. I'd have placed some of my contracted developers on vB.org - tasking them with upgrading the site from head to toe.

What I wouldn't do - is continually make excuses of how great vB.org works as-is.

And to answer your question DJ - Who could make all the changes, preparing the upgrade? Well... Paid IB developers of course, because again, vB.org is not a hobbiest property. It's a property which needs investing. And though the functionality is lovely for 3.6 series, the look is old & tired. Yeah - I'd invest immediately!

Hope this makes sense. And yeah - I know - Hate to keep beating a dead horse... But sometimes a dead horse just needs to be beat or at minimum - lathered up, cleaned and prepared for viewing :P LOL

J.
Kinda of a misplaced argument, though. We can't expect the website's staff to have any control over where corporate decides to spend the money. And we are talking about a website that exists for the sole reason that none of it's content is officially supported. For all intents and purposes, this site really only exists as a courtesy left over from the old owners, and because there are those of us who still support it. I highly doubt IB considers it such a high priority that they're going to invest dollars into developers to completely rebuild a website of unsupported add-ons (a task likely comparable to building the software from scratch), go through the equally time-consuming process of fixing the bugs after the fact, (as people seem to found of pointing out vB's flaws in that regard) especially when they already have one that already works. And works really, really well. If anything, the fact that vB.org hasn't upgraded in a quite some time is a cautionary tale to admins. You make a lot of modifications to your site, and upgrading is going to be a problem. As fellow admins, we should both be intimately aware of that.

There are many kinds of websites besides hobbyist and business types. It's not either/or. vB.org working as-is is a fact, not an excuse. An excuse is something you make when you don't want to do something, but could. As I recall, the staff here isn't paid. So asking them to do something, when I'm willing to bet they've got way more pressing things to do, doesn't really need to be excused.

If there were some glaring flaw, some inexcusable errors that made using the site unbearable, or at the very least, annoying, I'd be with you. But so far the only reasons people have given for investing extra money, time and development is because of appearances. Not really a good enough excuse.
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Old 20 Mar 2013, 23:42
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Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns

But honestly Paul - What do you think would happen if the bulk of vBulletin customers were to say that?

What other sites do [or dont do] is up to them, and of no relevance to vbulletin.org.

if the bulk of vBulletin CUSTOMERS
Paul what has this to do with what other SITES do or do not do? I think JacquiiDesigns was talking about CUSTOMERS.
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Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns

But honestly Paul - What do you think would happen if the bulk of vBulletin customers were to say that?

What other sites do [or dont do] is up to them, and of no relevance to vbulletin.org.


Paul what has this to do with what other SITES do or do not do? I think JacquiiDesigns was talking about CUSTOMERS.
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I entirely agree with what Jacquii is saying but what Paul is saying is also understandable to some extent.

The reason I agree with Paul to some extent is because there will be much work involved in upgrading this site and the benefits will not be proportional to the effort that is put in. Upgrading to 3.8.7/8 will offer just a few more features and functions. Same with 4.x. The newly un-beta'd (not gold) 5.0 is such a major downgrade in terms of features and functionality, that its not even worth considering for use over here. So a good reason for not upgrading is because there haven't been very significant improvements in the vbulletin software since 3.6.12.

That said, the site could still have been updated to newer versions, some smaller features could have been added and the dated skin could have been changed to give it a fresh look.

This need not be voluntary work by Paul, Lynne, Princeton or anyone else. As Jacquii rightly pointed out this site is the property of Internet Brands. Unfortunately they (IB) have not realized how much vbulletin.org contributes to the value of their product. A lot of people bought/buy vbulletin just because they could then extend the default functionality of their software with some of the great free mods over here. If vb.org were to disappear tomorrow then a lot of people may opt for other options or may not be willing to pay so much for a vb license.

It is in Internet Brands interest to keep vb.org in a flourishing and top shape. If they can invest so much money in questionably lawsuits against competitors then surely they can invest a fraction of that money in improving the lot of vb.org. I think Internet brands should pay admins of vb.org to upgrade and keep this site in shape. IB can also sponsor small prizes for contests and awards to coders/designers. This will give them rich rewards in the long run.
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I don't get it! Why you people still push this subject while it was addressed dozen of times!
The answer was always plane and simple - customizations that would require rewriting and no significant gains.
So why? Do you expect suddenly to hear some other answer like vb3 is better or something and you're trolling?
Or perhaps you want to push people who care about this board to go into vb5 minefield so you have the answers for your vb5 related questions... because I don't believe you are suddenly in the urge to upgrade your board but what I would guess is you want support so you can earn money from skins and mods you will make for vb5, is that right?
FFS leave vbulletin.org alone!

So... <sarcasm> What do you need? What are you missing here what has vb5 and vb3 has not? Are there any problems you struggle with the vbulletin.org functionality? Does this skin hurts your eyes or something? What is it? </sarcasm>
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This thread has run it's course, people are starting to get annoyed in their posts which eventually will turn in to bickering.

As has been said many times in the thread - "it's not happening"
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