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vB Version: 3.5.4 Rating: (3 votes - 3.67 average) Installs: 47
Released: 05 Sep 2006 Last Update: Never Downloads: 304
Not Supported DB Changes Uses Plugins Template Edits Additional Files Is in Beta Stage  

BEFORE YOU READ FURTHER, DO NOT INSTALL THIS MODIFICATION IN ITS PRESENT STATE. READ THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THIS POST FIRST IF YOU WISH TO INSTALL VBMS. I AM NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTING THIS MODIFICATION.

Note: For now, this thread will serve for all support questions. Obviously, the thread is going to get very long, very soon, and quickly lose any manageability. I hope to have a Premum Modification forum set up for vBMS, depending on whether the administration here supports it.

The vBulletin Mail System is now a free modification, instead of $40 to $48 (depending on the license). All features of the developer license (notes, etc.) are public as well. These files will be released shortly; they are not available yet.

For product information: http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/ .

What's attached to this thread?

The latest development version of vBMS, designed for 3.5 (incompatible with 3.0 in many ways, incompatible with 3.6 in a handful of ways). It is not to be installed in a live environment under any conditions.

What does this mean?

The forum at http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/forum/ will no longer serve as a support forum. If you have questions, you should do one of two things:
  • Post in this thread ONLY. All technical, historical, and nearly all other threads should be posted here. In all likelyhood, I will not response to technical questions in this thread, and I will not respond to such requests via private messages or other means. By posting in this thread, tens of thousands of other users can help you in addition to me (provided they don't get there first and I have the time).
  • If the question is personal for me only--no development questions--then send me a private message. Send the private message only through my site (http://www.webdesignforums.net/), not this site, so I can easily look up your customer history. Effectively, this involves billing only, or other licensing questions.
What about those who purchased the product?

When you bought vBMS, you were paying for the stable 3.0 release that has been around for over a year, and a 2.3.x release that has been around for much longer (since 2003). You still have access to those products (they will be released in the new forum). However, your license has been inherited to a standard open-source license: you may now install vBMS on as many domains and forums as you like, as well as freely distribute it.

Your input has also allowed a stable 3.5 version to be very close to completion. The expertise of the tens of thousands of coders who are now exposed to vBMS--which includes the developers of vBulletin themselves--will further improve the product to create a stable and full-featured product for vBulletin 3.5, 3.6, and beyond.

If your intention was to buy a 3.5 release, please note that it was clearly and repeatedly mentioned that a 3.5 version was only under development, not readily available, and that the version available was specifically not suitable for live use. I apologize if you thought this was different as I attempted to make it abundantly clear, including specifically telling people not to buy vBMS if they are running vBulletin 3.5 or later.

However, with this transition to open source, you will still get what you paid for, and faster: a stable 3.5/3.6 release.

Why go open-source?

To be honest, it is not fair to those who bought a vBMS license but have upgraded their installation of vBulletin to beyond 3.0. This will allow a much faster development cycle with support from many vBulletin modification developers. There are secondary reasons as well:
  • Time. vBMS is well over 16,000 lines of code. Managing a product of that scope is simply beyond the several hours free I have each week to develop the product. Also, with Jelsoft churning out the vBulletin versions, developing a product that is dependent on frequent changes is extremely difficult. That is not to say that frequent new versions of vBulletin is a bad thing; it simply makes development difficult.
  • Product scale. As mentioned above, vBMS is huge--far bigger than the majority of vBMS additions and even bigger than some of the version transitions of vBulletin itself.
  • Reverse engineering vBulletin. As a factor of the two above, I am finding it increasingly difficult to develop for vBulletin. While I applaud Jelsoft for offering a product and specifically not mangling, encrypting, or otherwise prohibiting the viewing of its source (obviously, for customers only), there is still much to be done to favor strongly to developers who build products exclusively for their product. Others who feel catoring towards developers can help Jelsoft can see my request for a "developer license" of vBulletin.
  • Fraud. As many people know, online software vendors are among the worst hit for credit card fraud, and it's extremely damaging: even if a thousand copies of a piece of software are sold, it only takes one single fraudulent order to leak the product, voiding, in all honesty, the majority of future orders. After putting a great deal of time into vBMS to see it stolen so brazenly, it demoralized me.
  • Bad experiences. I have appealed several times to the community to hire additional developers, but the developers I hand-picked did not work out on these occasions. So far, none of the experiences has sped up development time, so paid outside help has not worked out.
  • Personal reasons. I have changed jobs, taken on part-time work (I'm still poor), and even had a death in the family break up my work.
But the ultimate reason: I want vBMS to be available for all current versions of vBulletin so those who paid good money do not feel cheated.

What can and can't I do with an open-source vBMS in terms of licensing?

You can:
  • Distribute vBMS to anybody you like.
  • Modify vBMS to do whatever you like (excluding changing copyright notices), and then claim the changes as your own.
  • Remove mentions of vBMS, the "vBulletin Mail System", or other branding.
  • Develop special distributions of vBMS that you have extensively modified, and distribute those changes as a package
  • Sell any components of vBMS that you have directly created (this is allowed, but discouraged). Only the components themselves may be sold, not the entire package with your modifications included.
You cannot:
  • Advertise any of your modifications that you may be selling at vBulletin.org.
  • Use vBMS for any illegal purposes, including use vBMS on a forum without an active vBulletin license.
  • Modify vBMS to do whatever you like, and then claim the entire product as your own.
  • Remove mentions of vBMS, the "vBulletin Mail System", or other branding, and replace them with others that imply you exclusively developed the product.
  • Sell any components of vBMS that the product originally contained or others have freely developed.
  • Sell the product as a whole, including a modified product.
What technical skills do I need to understand how vBMS works?

You need the usual vBulletin skills in general. This means PHP, MySQL, HTML, and CSS. You also should have a working knowledge of XML.

You'll also need to familiarize yourself with how MIME headers in e-mails work. If you want to modify how vBMS receives and routes mail, you'll need to understand the beast that is the imap library: http://www.php.net/imap . The imap library is only used to receive messages; sending messages has no dependency on imap.

Will you help with development?

I'll offer simple assistance in whatever free time I have--and I'll only do it publicly in the new forum. I will not write extensive parts of code for you or talk to you privately about vBMS. I will enjoy answering questions about how vBMS works at a high-level, and then you can see the inner workings to see how it's actually implemented.

So can vBMS actually be installed?

The version of vBMS that has been uploaded is the latest development version. It can be installed on a test forum, but there are several critical bugs that need to be resolved. You can browse the old support forums (http://www.webdesignforums.net/vbms/) for an overview of those bugs. I have a suspicion that they are simple fixes to you, the community with experience with vBulletin.

What is the first goal of those movement to open-source?

I wish to have a stable version of vBMS with little to no known bugs available for vBulletin 3.5 and 3.6 as soon as possible to appease past and present customers. Feature additions should come later; compatibility and bug fixes should be the utmost priority. When the stable version for 3.5 and 3.6 is available, then new features can be added. At the old forums, there is a list of feature requests, many of which have been addressed.

What will be my role in this?

As a user experienced with vBulletin development, both you and others will benefit from a stable 3.5/3.6 version of vBMS. That should be the priority. Feature additions, visual tweaks, etc. come later. Compatibility and just making it work completely with the features already present is the most important.

What remains to be done for a transition to open-source?

The version of vBMS attached to this thread is the latest one to which customers had access. It is still littered with copyright information and warnings about piracy. While the copyright information is still valid and will perpetually be valid, you can obviously ignore the piracy warnings. A proper version will be uploaded within several days that is fully suitable for open-source use.

Remember, this means that the piracy warning is no longer applicable, but the copyright information is applicable and must never, under any circumstances, be removed.

Any last thoughts?

As with any modification, back up your site files, but more importantly, your database, before proceeding. vBMS makes a significant number of alterations and new tables.

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Old 21 Nov 2006, 14:28
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Can anyone point me to a web page explaining how to install imap with php on a redhat box? My host is having difficulty with it and I'd like to point him in the right direction.

Thanks

(I can't believe I've come this close to have this hack working, only to be let down by my server, aahhhhhhhhhHH!!!!!!)
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 14:37
Lionel Lionel is offline
 
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As far as I am concerned, no one in the right frame of mind would use something like this, or like hivemail, or any other website provided mail client as their primary email solution.

This is designed to simply add another layer of privacy to your existing mail, with the flexibility to change alias whenever you want. An example to use this system, would be to setup an alias, use it for a subscription to another site. Once you start getting bombarded with spam, you just change alias. Using your real email in that case would live you vulnerable to spams.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 17:07
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Originally Posted by Killsparer View Post
Wouldn't it be quite illogical to use it as the primary contact-adress, since (as an example) the mails sent in case of a lost password would be delivered to it, too?

If someone lost his password, he would have to log in to read the "forgot your password?"-mail. But since he forgot it, he can't ...
One of the main reasons you should never set your vBMS address to your forum e-mail address.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 17:32
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er vica versa....



We had a couple users, after setting up their vBMS alias, go into their USERCP and change it to match. As you may already know, when you get an email at your VBMS email, it sends a notification to your Forums email to let you know. If your forums and VBMS mail are the same, it starts a cyclic buildup of emails which will eventually crash your database. Been there, done that. Since the webmaster (me) has a pop account on our domain, I entered @dodgeboard.com as a banned email in the Banning options, but selected "allow users to keep their banned IP/email", so that it would not ban the administrator. Then I just blanked out the couple users that had the @dodgeboard.com email addy in their profiles and instructed them to change it. Since @dodgeboard.com is now banned, they can't use it.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 17:50
Lionel Lionel is offline
 
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Originally Posted by Slave View Post
Can anyone point me to a web page explaining how to install imap with php on a redhat box? My host is having difficulty with it and I'd like to point him in the right direction.
PHP needs to be recompiled with IMAP. Time to look for another host if he does not know how to do so.
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 01:52
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Originally Posted by dodgeboard.com View Post
er vica versa....



We had a couple users, after setting up their vBMS alias, go into their USERCP and change it to match. As you may already know, when you get an email at your VBMS email, it sends a notification to your Forums email to let you know. If your forums and VBMS mail are the same, it starts a cyclic buildup of emails which will eventually crash your database. Been there, done that. Since the webmaster (me) has a pop account on our domain, I entered @dodgeboard.com as a banned email in the Banning options, but selected "allow users to keep their banned IP/email", so that it would not ban the administrator. Then I just blanked out the couple users that had the @dodgeboard.com email addy in their profiles and instructed them to change it. Since @dodgeboard.com is now banned, they can't use it.
DodgeBoard/Killsparer

I see now the problem. Nice system, but not what I am looking for. I thought about Hivemail a while ago and didn't bother doing anything about it. Glad I didn't.

Anyway, I wish everyone every success with this - great script for what it does, and I mean that. I am off to find another solution, dunno where yet

Cheers
Bruce
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 01:55
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Hivemail was great before it died...

I don't think there is another product out there that fully integrates with vBulletin, but good luck. Let us know if you find something of interest.
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 02:14
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you could look into atmail
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 03:27
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Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
you could look into atmail
Yes, that or Scalix. Atmail is a few dollars though, but Scalix has a community edition....

Cheers
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 14:41
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Hi,

does this modification work with vBulletin 3.6.x (or is a version for 3.6.x available)?

Greets,
Florian
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 18:21
Lionel Lionel is offline
 
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Originally Posted by speedway View Post
Yes, that or Scalix. Atmail is a few dollars though, but Scalix has a community edition....

Cheers
Bruce
I had an atmail->vb integration laying around. Uses vb users, but atmail was on a different domain, so no conflict.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 00:23
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I have been a user of vBulletin Mail System for a long time, and I recently redid my forums and upgraded to this version. I can send e-mail from my account just fine, but when I try replying to the e-mail received to send e-mail to my vb mail account it is returned with the following error:

Permanent Failure: 550-"The_recipient_cannot_be_verified.__Please_check_all_recipients_of_this
any ideas?

EDIT: OK- I just read through this entire thread. It seems that people have gotten this working for 3.6.3, but I don;t see anyone saying it is working for 3.5.X Has anyone gotten it working for 3.5.X, and if so can you please tell us what changes need to be made?

Last edited by yoyoyoyo; 23 Nov 2006 at 02:42.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 13:22
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but I don;t see anyone saying it is working for 3.5.X Has anyone gotten it working for 3.5.X, and if so can you please tell us what changes need to be made?
I may be wrong, but from what I see in the very first thread...the original version (downloadable above) works for 3.5x. All of this work has been to get it to work with 3.6x.

-Josh
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 17:43
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Originally Posted by FireLighter View Post
I may be wrong, but from what I see in the very first thread...the original version (downloadable above) works for 3.5x. All of this work has been to get it to work with 3.6x.

-Josh
Well, actually if you read the thread you will see that it is not really working for 3.5.X - filburt posted it here so people could help with it. I installed it and I can send mail, but can't receive mail, and the same is true with many other folks. There have been some suggestions posted to this thread regarding 3.5.X implementation, but then the discussion shifted towards 3.6.X once that came out. I am still using 3.5.5 and would like to have this hack working on my forum. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 19:51
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Originally Posted by Lionel View Post
I had an atmail->vb integration laying around. Uses vb users, but atmail was on a different domain, so no conflict.
I am very interesting in vb<->atmail integration. Can you please give me details? Is that something existing? Or did you made it yourself?
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