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Old 17 May 2015, 14:43
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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5 View Post
Lending your services to an organization that is a front for ISIS is supporting terrorism. The purpose of those websites is to promote ISIS, their views and their organization. The goal is to get westerners to come fight for ISIS.

Even if Cloudflare only makes it easier for someone to get to their content, they are helping promote terrorism.

Without Cloudflare the poor servers ISIS would otherwise have access to would be offline and/or overloaded more easily.

With Cloudflare they are able to get their message out to more people without downtime.

How are they not promoting terrorism?
They're hosting the sites content, cloudflare themselves are not encouraging people to make or follow these sites. That's the terrorism sites themselves that do that part. That is how they aren't promoting terrorism. Hell dude don't act like your so damn blind as to what is really going on, just for the sake of continuing an argument.

I think that what you should be asking instead is why is their host provider not taking down their sites? You know the people that actually host the site on a vps and provide them with ftp, shell access etc. Yeah I think you should be looking at them instead. In reality, they are what allows the site to stay online, with or without a CDN.

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Old 17 May 2015, 17:27
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The hosts themselves can be in ISIS controlled territory. We're not policing the internet itself- I think that is far more radical to be honest.

Cloudflare is a western company doing business in the United States and other "Western" nations. They are aiding an abetting an enemy that would behead their employees, their families, and their children given the chance.
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Old 17 May 2015, 19:29
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We will all be just fine, from what I've read Isis already pissed off Anonymous so here soon enough one radical group will take out the other lol.
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Old 18 May 2015, 14:23
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Sometimes you have to wonder if a company is not doing something because its working with law enforcement.
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Old 18 May 2015, 19:56
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Sometimes you have to wonder if a company is not doing something because its working with law enforcement.
I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps there is a reason these sites have not been taken down by the goverment.
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Old 19 May 2015, 15:26
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Honestly, its not cloudflares fault, the government should go after the Web Hosting provider, or the terrorist ISP that hosts the websites.
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Old 19 May 2015, 21:17
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Old 19 May 2015, 22:46
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Honestly, its not cloudflares fault, the government should go after the Web Hosting provider, or the terrorist ISP that hosts the websites.
CloudFlare is effectively acting like a hosting provider, but playing dumb like they're not.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 09:26
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If they start withdrawing their service from ISIS sites where does it stop though? Should Cloudflare really be expected to act as the moral compass of the Internet and whose morals are they supposed to be taking?

There are plenty of countries that people consider to be terrorist states including Isreal, Palistine, the U.S.A a& Russia and which every site operating in one of these are funding terrorism with their taxes so should Cloudflare stop providing their service to sites in those countries?

And there are plenty of sites that promote what myself and others consider hate speech and hate groups. The U.S Republicain party for example who's stance on homosexuality, gay rights and abortion are to me bigoted but anyone supporting and agreeing with those views are allowed to have those views. Should Cloudflare decided any such sites that openly support the Republicain party or just one or all their views in general shouldn't be allowed to use the service. The same with Christian groups.

No company should be expected to be our moral compass. As long as the site isn't activily doing something illegal then which the examples of ISIS sites I've seen on the news they seem careful not to cross that line then It shouldn't be Cloudflares duty
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 10:38
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They can stop at sites that don't promote the beheading of innocent people. That can be the line. If you only kidnap people for profit, and only rape people, and don't behead them, then they can host your sites. Beheading the innocent is the line if they need one.
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Old 18 Jun 2015, 11:02
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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5 View Post
They can stop at sites that don't promote the beheading of innocent people. That can be the line. If you only kidnap people for profit, and only rape people, and don't behead them, then they can host your sites. Beheading the innocent is the line if they need one.
Have you gone and checked out all these 'ISIS' sites protected by Cloudflare? How many of them are promoting the beheading of innocent people? As many of the media reports on Anonymous war on the ISIS sites makes mention of very few of the sites on their list of those being hosted/protected by western companies are actually even activily promoting the ISIS cause on the sites but rather are deemed guilty by association (There is a Twitter account that's uses the same name as the site which is more hardline, they may include a link so where on the site to a more hardline ISIS site and the likes). The sites doing things like preaching the most radical elements or posting the beheading videos largely aren't the ones being hosted/protected by western companies.
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Old 18 Jun 2015, 12:54
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I Don't see any problem using CloudFlare, it just boosted my forum's speed and performance. This conversation will remain in this forum only nothing gonna happen and stop wasting time here. if you don't like the than don't use theme
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Old 20 Jun 2015, 01:30
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We know what cloudflare's services does but you seem to be completely missing the topic of this thread.
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Old 20 Jun 2015, 08:22
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These things happen with freedom and just because they do not monitor or moderate sites does not mean they are promoting anything.

Plus I say let them host those sites so we can track. The usa has already killed many isis leaders and others due to tracking their movements through the internet. Let them keep putting up their websites.
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