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Old 27 Jul 2009, 00:35
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Well i just left a post or two at vbulletin.com and i will post one here too. This is a bunch of crap. Vbulletin 4.0 can be purchased seperately. But for those that purchased the vbblog and didn't want the vbulltin project toos crap, you will now be forced to purchase a suite which will consist of vbblog, vbproject tools, and vbCMS. If you want to continue to use your blog with vbulletin, you are going to have to stay with the vbulletin 3.8 and the last vbblog update 2.02.

Although there isn't anything any of us can do about it, it still pisses me off that vbulletin.com's project tools was a failure, the blogs almost a failure, and the cms will really be a failure since most people use vbadvanced or phpportal cms software, and now if i want to continue using the updated versions of vbblog, i have to purchase the suite that is full of garbage. Some that have new sites may benefit from this, but my site has been up for a few years now and i personally can't afford to pay for vbulletin.com's problems over software nobody wants.

Heck, i just paid a 30% rate increase for my vbulletin yearly renewel, which was fine. But i am going to loose my blog system now, do to vbulletins bad business practices.....If people at this point don't believe the suite set up, go to vbulletin.com and read the post on this. They don't even have the decency to make it an announcement. You will just find that your next renewel letter will have a huge increase and the sad announcement that you can no longer use your blog system, unless you pay the blackmail rates...........

And please, don't tell me to calm down......I have every right to be pissed as many of the other user's of vbulletins software. Pure and simple, this is a bunch of crap.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 00:43
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Originally Posted by Black Tiger View Post
I don't think you can talk about competitors in this case, because their prices and probably also their company goals are in a complete other league then vBulletin.
Probably most of us did not even hear of those other company's. Obviously with idiot prices as a couple of thousand dollars. They get maybe only big company users with that, if any.
You can't compare that with vBulletin, which is more in the league of UBB threads, IB and the free ones.
I don't see how these higher priced pieces of forum software aren't in the same league of vBulletin. Okay, maybe they're in a worst league than vBulletin, but still. Remember though that there's still a lot of examples of forum software in the $200 to $500 range, which is only slightly more than vBulletin and in the same market. phpBB, SMF and MyBB are probably not really that comparable, at least in that one or more of them seems to be very much 'we'll add exactly what we want rather than what users want'. IPB, that's in about the same league as vBulletin though, but to be fair, vB doesn't have to match or beat their prices to be popular.



Obviously because there was no need, they obeyed their license agreements and nothing much (policy and pricing related) changed until IB stepped in. But they did communicate in time about things that did matter. Or in any case react to rumours, to take worries away buy customers which they don't do now.
I don't recall them reacting to rumours much in the past. That might also be because some of the development team left, the support team who's still there can't really comment much on things they themselves probably don't know much about.


And it might al be voluntary leaving (sorry to hear about Floris health), but they don't leave al voluntary for nothing all of a sudden and all together.
Where's smoke there's fire somewhere is a well known Dutch saying. They must dislike a lot of things also but are probably bound to "don't communicate about the company" contracts.
Possibly, but I'd say not to panic, wait for vBulletin 4, try it, and if you don't like it then, it's a good time to switch to whatever competitor, ala IPB 3.


I'm a fan of vBulletin, but now I'm worried at least. And already stated arguments about what was going on the last years, the pricing and the leaving of key members, closing the announcement discussion forum (making customers mouthdead) and the lack of communication doens't do any good.

We again have to hope that things will come out ok and this will be the last of the big changes. Instead of there is decent communication, because you know as good as I do that they exactly know what will be the case, what wil happen, what versions and which costs.
To be fair, the announcement forum closing went with the Licensed Customers forum opening, which is basically the same as announcements discussion but more so. Well at least more so of the complaining, fights and hysteria that would have gone in announcements discussion.

Note: I'll be very honest, I'm hardly ever bothered by this kind of stuff because many, MANY companies I buy products from or generally respect have about the same policy of 'when it's ready' as Jelsoft, and respond about as much to people asking about rumours.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 00:53
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Originally Posted by cheat-master30 View Post
Note: I'll be very honest, I'm hardly ever bothered by this kind of stuff because many, MANY companies I buy products from or generally respect have about the same policy of 'when it's ready' as Jelsoft, and respond about as much to people asking about rumours.
It's not a rumor, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showt...=1#post1766328 Read their entire post.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 01:17
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Possibly, but I'd say not to panic, wait for vBulletin 4, try it, and if you don't like it then, it's a good time to switch to whatever competitor, ala IPB 3.
I'm not in panic or whatever, I'm just worried as hell that Jelsoft is going down the drain.
I already said that to me there was no problem if there still would be a vb4 only forum option. I'll just go on with that.
I'm just pissed at the way things are going now, also for people who already have bought the addons. It doesn't matter to me that I don't have them. I'm pissed about how they are handling their clients. And worried about the effects of that.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 07:01
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I am not happy with this unless they are able to offer the upgrade to us for a very nice discount. The blog system alone is all we need on our forums and the rest would never be used so a discount for not wanting nor needing them would be good.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 11:18
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No but Apple offers Leopard owners Snow Leopard for next to nothing
You forget Apple Leopard OS cost more than Microsoft Windows OS or any Linux distro.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 15:07
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Originally Posted by gamerfu View Post
You forget Apple Leopard OS cost more than Microsoft Windows OS or any Linux distro.
Leopard is $129.

Windows XP Professional is $199.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 15:22
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I always have to support streamlining but I am a bit worried about the CMS being included. I prefer using Joomla as my CMS as it is (in my opinion) the strongest CMS on the web. I utilize JFusion to sync users from vBulletin to Joomla so my users are logged into both no matter which login module they use (joomla or VB). Now with VB having there own CMS bundled in I sure hope it doesn't break my Joomla connection.

As for the Windows versus Apple debate, my two cents on the subject and I use both.

Apple machines cost more but they last longer (no squeaks, crashes, overheating, requirements changing for new operating systems) so quality versus quantity.

Apple Operating System cost compared to Windows is really a question on which version of Windows are you comparing it to. Unlike Windows, you buy the Apple operating system and you have everything you need. With Windows, you have to pay a whole lot of money for the Premium package which compares to Apple with iLife or you buy the basic version which is a tad less expensive then the Apple OS but you don't have anything.

Some comparisons found here between what you get with Windows versus Apple

Of course I prefer Apple Mac OS X because it doesn't crash, no spamware, adware, and few viruses which equals a faster running operating system built on a unix (linux-debian) operating system which is the same O.S. as what we used in the Air Force to maintain our most secure and most reliable network for the Armed Forces Globally. Windows machines had very little responsibility because they were and are not trustworthy on staying operational 100% like we found with linux,unix and apple.

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Old 27 Jul 2009, 15:45
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I'll say the same thing I said on my site and vb.com
I purchased the vblog and it looks like I wasted my money on it
I'll never use the pos project tools, or their cms and now if I want to upgrade the blog, I'll have to pay for those worthless scripts

well, it looks like I'll never upgrade the blog

what a shame, bad move IB #epicfail
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 16:01
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I am hoping the vblog will improve (hopefully dramatically) in version 4. The current version 3 is a first step towards something greater.

I'm not sure if it will better but I am sure hoping it is. The current version is so clumsy and difficult to use but I love the idea of using a blog with vbulletin.

MyBlog component in Joomla is soooo much better and is a desire to reach something like wordpress or blogspot or like the many CMS components and modules out there that show you what a blog should be able to do.

I'm not giving up on vblog but I am really hoping for a better vblog in version 4.

I agree projects is a waste of my money. I would be surprised to see many people use this. Currently projects appears to be focused on code versus actual Projects. Again, if it followed a leader of Project software like Microsoft Project or even a more powerful Merlin application.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Black Tiger View Post
I'm not in panic or whatever, I'm just worried as hell that Jelsoft is going down the drain.
I already said that to me there was no problem if there still would be a vb4 only forum option. I'll just go on with that.
I'm just pissed at the way things are going now, also for people who already have bought the addons. It doesn't matter to me that I don't have them. I'm pissed about how they are handling their clients. And worried about the effects of that.
There is a vBulletin 4 forum only option. That's the non suite version of vBulletin 4.
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Old 27 Jul 2009, 21:35
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Yes I know that, but that doesn't change things about how they are handling their other clients who bought the addons, and the lack of communication.
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Old 28 Jul 2009, 03:09
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Sorry I tried to read the posts but couldnt find a solid answer. I get how they are bundling it now, but...

Will I have to buy vB4 now? Even though I have a currently active license witch entitles me for free vB updates for 1 year?
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Old 28 Jul 2009, 03:17
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I think this is a good move for vB!

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Old 28 Jul 2009, 04:55
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Originally Posted by smartkidbk5 View Post
Sorry I tried to read the posts but couldnt find a solid answer. I get how they are bundling it now, but...

Will I have to buy vB4 now? Even though I have a currently active license witch entitles me for free vB updates for 1 year?
That seems to be the million dollar question. I don't believe anything official has been announced. From what I've read and pieced together it looks like if you want to upgrade to 4.0 you will have to shell out some cash. How much remains to be seen. Looks like vB is doing away w/the leased licenses too. Only offering an owned license in either "forum only" or "suite" (forum, tools, blog, CMS) form. Again, this is just what I've read and may not be at all true. But I think if you wanted to ride out 3.8.3 for awhile without upgrading to 4.0 you should be able to do so without any additional cost (imo).
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