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Old 13 May 2015, 19:10
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Thumbs down Is Cloudflare promoting terrorism?

Was looking through open petitions today on whitehouse.gov and found this: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ting-terrorism

File Criminal Charges Against Cloudflare for promoting terrorism

Cloudflare Inc is in violation of US CODE 2339A.

Cloudflare Inc. is hosting over 50 ISIS related propaganda websites. The evidence is right in front of them. Yet the group refuses to act and instead takes money from criminals in return for hacking and server protection for the ISIS websites. Please act now, and file criminal charges on the orginization for supporting terrorism.

#CloudflareSupportsISIS
I know Cloudflare like to think they can absolve themselves of responsibility of what they "host" but they shouldn't get a pass any more than any other host.
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Old 13 May 2015, 23:14
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They also "host" a bunch of booters (DDoS services), blackhat forums and other fishy sites/forums.
Here's a blog post of Cloudflare regarding stuff like this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/
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Old 13 May 2015, 23:53
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And our government requires a petition to be signed by 10000 citizens before it will take action?
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Old 14 May 2015, 01:47
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And our government requires a petition to be signed by 10000 citizens before it will take action?
100,000 and action isn't guaranteed... in fact it almost never happens, but someone in the white house will make an official comment at least.
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Old 14 May 2015, 02:46
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I missed a zero...We live in the most corrupt country in the world. Sad...
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Old 14 May 2015, 23:42
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You all act as if this should shock most?! Money makes the world go round' as they say and no matter how cloudflare goes about it you all compromise in some form or another everyday.

Eat Chick-fil-a? What about their stance on Gay Marriage? Either you're for or against it, either way if you make a purchase you just swallowed your pride no matter which side you stand on.
Purchase at Hobby Lobby? What about their stance on abortion? Same thing here, for or against it... if hobby lobby has what you need and you can't get it elsewhere and you purchase... well then what say you now?

No one likes to swallow their pride unless they feel comfortable doing so. Don't hate "cloudflare" but certainly continue to hate Isis as that's YOUR prerogative to do so.

My point is, justifying something makes it so others can live with it, everyone is different and everyone has a right to their own beliefs. I seriously doubt anyone at cloudflare has a secret room with a red phone using a dedicated line to the Batcave to promote terrorism - IF thats what anyone else was wondering, the answer is no and more than likely the only person in the world with a real working red phone would be Adam West .
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Old 15 May 2015, 00:08
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You all act as if this should shock most?! Money makes the world go round' as they say and no matter how cloudflare goes about it you all compromise in some form or another everyday.

Eat Chick-fil-a? What about their stance on Gay Marriage? Either you're for or against it, either way if you make a purchase you just swallowed your pride no matter which side you stand on.
Purchase at Hobby Lobby? What about their stance on abortion? Same thing here, for or against it... if hobby lobby has what you need and you can't get it elsewhere and you purchase... well then what say you now?

No one likes to swallow their pride unless they feel comfortable doing so. Don't hate "cloudflare" but certainly continue to hate Isis as that's YOUR prerogative to do so.

My point is, justifying something makes it so others can live with it, everyone is different and everyone has a right to their own beliefs. I seriously doubt anyone at cloudflare has a secret room with a red phone using a dedicated line to the Batcave to promote terrorism - IF thats what anyone else was wondering, the answer is no and more than likely the only person in the world with a real working red phone would be Adam West .
Reasonable people can have different opinions on abortions, gay marriage, and all the political issues of the day. I'm not one to call for a boycott every time a company makes a decision that doesn't agree with my politics.

But terrorism is different. I would eat Pizza at a Pizza Place that is own by a gay couple. I would eat Pizza at a Pizza Place owned by a Christian against gay marriage. I would not buy Pizza at a Pizza Place actively support ISIS or Al Qaeda.

Making their websites easier to access and more secure IS actively supporting those organizations.

Cloudflare takes a stance that is easy and cheap for them to take. I don't believe for a second they are as dedicated to free speech as they claim- it's just easy for them to do nothing about anything and try to say it's their philosophy. BS. If it was cheaper for them to shut down terror related sites, they would.
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I agree Joe, there comes a point where money is not the issue, your morals should take over.
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Old 15 May 2015, 01:15
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At the least they could follow DMCA takedown requests so that such sites aren't using their cdn anymore. Much like google had to do with takedown requests regarding torrent sites they indexed.

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Old 15 May 2015, 22:44
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No replies have been removed from this thread. If you don't see a reply it didn't go through for whatever reason. (Maybe because we're not using Cloudflare!) (joking...)
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But terrorism is different. I would eat Pizza at a Pizza Place that is own by a gay couple. I would eat Pizza at a Pizza Place owned by a Christian against gay marriage. I would not buy Pizza at a Pizza Place actively support ISIS or Al Qaeda.

Making their websites easier to access and more secure IS actively supporting those organizations.

Cloudflare takes a stance that is easy and cheap for them to take. I don't believe for a second they are as dedicated to free speech as they claim- it's just easy for them to do nothing about anything and try to say it's their philosophy. BS. If it was cheaper for them to shut down terror related sites, they would.
Not entirely, to actively support something you must be involved in it directly, cloudflare just sells a service. If we go about it in a strict manner such as this then shoot we might as well not use ANY host and close our sites down because we promote copyright infringement by paying a host who has clients that rip people off even though it might be 1% of their client base - point being its a fine line and ftards exist everywhere, using the same services and such you're privileged to use as well - terrorist are on trains, planes, buses and more - lets boycott it all! I'm against terrorism but to say just because someone sells a service that they support or side with those purchasing said service is not my line of thinking but to each their own, why I love folks we're all different and sometimes you all open my eyes to different ways of thinking, always appreciate that .
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How are they "promoting" it ?
Are their some banners somewhere ? or are they doing some kind of publicity about it ?

There is a difference between a business simply doing what its supposed to do (sell its services) and them actively promoting somethng.

The only issue here seems to be whether they are breaking the law, if so, then they need to act.
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Old 16 May 2015, 16:08
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Lending your services to an organization that is a front for ISIS is supporting terrorism. The purpose of those websites is to promote ISIS, their views and their organization. The goal is to get westerners to come fight for ISIS.

Even if Cloudflare only makes it easier for someone to get to their content, they are helping promote terrorism.

Without Cloudflare the poor servers ISIS would otherwise have access to would be offline and/or overloaded more easily.

With Cloudflare they are able to get their message out to more people without downtime.

How are they not promoting terrorism?
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Old 16 May 2015, 21:20
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Lending your services to an organization that is a front for ISIS is supporting terrorism.
Even if Cloudflare only makes it easier for someone to get to their content, they are helping promote terrorism.
Just +1 this, my original comment probably did not get posted meant same...
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