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Old 06 Jan 2018, 22:51
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Mark, you replied to my comments twice, are you ok?
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Old 06 Jan 2018, 23:58
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Originally Posted by Panzer Max View Post
Mark, you replied to my comments twice, are you ok?
Yes, I split the quote into what was intended to be two posts, I forgot about the annoying post merging on here.
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Old 07 Jan 2018, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Mark.B View Post
Nobody has said anything about closing this site. I'm not sure where all this has come from.
I said that if this site becomes nothing more than a host for people to solicit paid work for versions which are no longer officially supported there is no reason for it to be kept open.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the site is doing nothing constructive for the promotion of vB5. Why would IB keep open a site that serves no purpose to the only software version they are currently selling and officially supporting? That was the question I asked, to which I received no answer, valid or otherwise.

The end isn't here. IB and KKR, more specifically, have far more than enough capital to see vB5 through to fruition. That doesn't mean this site continues to serve what IB considers a useful purpose. What would be lost in their eyes if they simply moved everything related to the vB5 product over to vbulletin.com? It's not as though there is so much traffic the server couldn't handle the additional load.
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Old 07 Jan 2018, 11:34
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Closing this site just isn't on the agenda, indeed it's part of the support process to refer customisation queries here. vB3 and vB4 are still supported by the support team, it's only ongoing development that has stopped, and in fact that had already been the case for years, Paul was only doing php compatibility changes and some minor bugfixes. There has been no 'active' development (new features, improvements etc) of vB3 and vB4 for several years now, I think 2012/2013 in fact when 4.2.0 and 4.2.1 came out. vB3 it's actually back to 2009.

In terms of support: Support tickets and forum queries are all still given equal priority regardless of version.

Nobody can say what may happen in the future obviously.
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Old 09 Jan 2018, 19:20
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Originally Posted by In Omnibus View Post
I said that if this site becomes nothing more than a host for people to solicit paid work for versions which are no longer officially supported there is no reason for it to be kept open.
That seems like a valid reason to keep it open, since its part of the service it provides.
Also, why do you keep stating vB5 is the only officially supported version ? Thats just wrong.

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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the site is doing nothing constructive for the promotion of vB5. Why would IB keep open a site that serves no purpose to the only software version they are currently selling and officially supporting?
This site has never existed to promote any version of vbulletin, somrthing the "rocket scientist" would already know.
The scientist would also know that vB3 & vB4 are still officially supported.
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Old 11 Jan 2018, 15:24
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It's simple, forums in general are dead.

They didn't see that coming (or they decided not to do anything), they were slow, but they still had to create a new product. But I doubt they were given enough fund to develop a good one. And finally there's vb5, a half-@ss forum with some social network features, bad design and full of bugs (at the early state, I don't know its current situation now).

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Old 11 Jan 2018, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Stingray27 View Post
This site has never existed to promote any version of vbulletin, somrthing the "rocket scientist" would already know.
Bull. The current vBulletin 5 sales page lists "Extensive 3rd Party Developer Community" under Support.

https://www.vbulletin.com/en/features/

The vBulletin 4 sales page listed the third party developer community under support.
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 14:52
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Congratulations, you just figured out this site hosts 3rd party tools.

Now perhaps you would like to explain how that means the site (which still runs vb3 btw) is "promoting" any version.

In fact, whch version is it "promoting" exactly ?
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 15:27
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Originally Posted by Stingray27 View Post
Congratulations, you just figured out this site hosts 3rd party tools.

Now perhaps you would like to explain how that means the site (which still runs vb3 btw) is "promoting" any version.

In fact, whch version is it "promoting" exactly ?
The page specifically lists vBulletin 5 and ONLY vBulletin 5. Naming "extensive third party developer community" of any version other than vBulletin 5 as a feature of vBulletin 5 on a page which only names vBulletin 5 as the product for sale is a complete non sequitur. I think you're looking for an argument from ignorance and you'll not get one from me.
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 18:10
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I think you completely avoided answering the question, with mumbo jumbo.
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Old 16 Jan 2018, 09:16
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To be clear - vbulletin.org has never existed to showcase any vBulletin version.
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Old 16 Jan 2018, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Mark.B View Post
To be clear - vbulletin.org has never existed to showcase any vBulletin version.
That was never the claim. The goalposts have been moved so many times in this discussion that it has lost all meaning. When people start arguing strawmen that were never constructed it's time to move on, and so I shall move on. And, so, at some point, shall vBulletin from this site. That was the initial and only point.
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Old 17 Jan 2018, 12:37
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On the Russian support forum vBulletin are available vB3 and vB4 with the compatibility php7.2
Developers do not need this. The administrator adapts his forum or downloads a compatible version in the Internet.
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Old 17 Jan 2018, 21:02
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Ah I saw Marks post on the first page that vb4 publishing suite is EOL, does that mean the vb4 forum itself will not get security updates? The publishing suite and the forum are 2 separate downloads at vb.com so are they separate products as well?

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I didn't read the other pages but this last one is just filler content, vbulletin.org is a solid assist to vbulletin.com, I don't see it dying just yet.
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Old 20 Jan 2018, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley View Post
Ah I saw Marks post on the first page that vb4 publishing suite is EOL, does that mean the vb4 forum itself will not get security updates? The publishing suite and the forum are 2 separate downloads at vb.com so are they separate products as well?

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I didn't read the other pages but this last one is just filler content, vbulletin.org is a solid assist to vbulletin.com, I don't see it dying just yet.
It just means there is no active development on vB4 - forum or suite - planned. So no new features, no further bug fixes, no php compatibility changes, etc etc. It's actually been this way for a while, certainly since Paul left, and even prior to that there was no feature development going back a few years now. Paul was mainly doing php compatibility and some minor bug fixes.

In terms of security releases, any issue found will be evaluated if it should arise (which is broadly similar to now).
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