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Old 04 Oct 2017, 10:15
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Question Why are all vb4 Mods are so out of date ?

Hi guys,

last time i was using vB that was a long time ago, pre vB4. Tried a few other things in between and then stopped websites completely. Recently got back, checked on vB again and installed the latest vB4 Forum.

Going through the Mod section, I notice many mods (names) i actually remembered using back then, and thats an eternity ago. Are there no newer vB4 Mods anymore ? I mean, most are around 2012/13.

So there is no fixing of their creators to expect anytime ever. Is noone making Mods for vB4 anymore ? I realize that vB5 is out, but many many people say, vB5 is a step back into the wrong direction. Plus, I am not doing that much stuff anymore, that would justify the expensive price of upgrading to vB5 for the little i do.

Just wondering, in that immense list of Mods, which are a bit more up to date, and which of the old ones are still secure and working with 4.2.5 ?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04 Oct 2017, 11:34
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supply and demand my friend




the supply isn't like it was in the golden years
The owners of vb haven't helped the situation, also some say forums in general aren't as popular but I think there is more to the story.
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 11:50
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I agree on that forums arent as popular anymore as back then, most of it is because I think the Social Networks have taken a hugh spot on that.

And people are more and more lazy, so the little they wanna actually "type", they rather spend on some stupid comments on Facebook, Twitter etc.

Back then, IRC chat was a great thing (and I still think it is today), but since Messengers like MSN Messenger (yeah, old as well by now) and similiar came out, many people that were new to IRC sided with those because it looked more fancy. Smilies, animations and all that stuff that messenger apps (especially today) come with, makes it look more fancy than good old IRC chat.

I was sad for a long time, that many people i knew on IRC once, were off that and never came back. I still think that the way IRC works, is still unbeaten by other chat apps.

The more lucky I was when I got to Discord, in which the text chat pays really great hommage to IRC i think.

Anyways, too much off-topic. I love fourms, but if you're getting back into that stuff these days (after a longer time not doing any of that), its appearant that you cant get people to forums as plentyful as back then, when Forums were much more "hyped".

I tried multiple systems over time (and I am not really good with stuff like php/mysql), and I found some systems quite nice, like vB, although I think there were always many security issues that came with it over the years. I tried IPB and somewhat couldnt really get to like it. And Woltlab Burning Board, which I think looks a bit more "dry" but has some nice features, I think vB is still behind of. But Burning Board can get somewhat visually boring long term, which is why I thought I give vB another try.

But with the lack of good (for me) themes and mostly mods that were already abandoned at least a couple years or longer, i am not sure if vB is the way to go for me now. Not seeing to upgrade to vB 5, because of the high price, and the limited usage on my end, to justify the upprade. But i didnt thought that vB4 would be so "passed by", concerning Themes and mods.

Its really too bad.
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 11:53
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The key is not doing the same thing everyone else is doing with their forums

There are still very successful forums out there, and there are forums with great search engine traffic as well from quality content.. eg searching for repair info for my truck I was always landing on the same trailblazer forum

There are still people who like to type, generally they are older people..lol

cater to them

oh also mobile use is very big... if your forums or website isn't usable on mobile, you're going to miss out on some traffic depending on your niche
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 11:58
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The key is not doing the same thing everyone else is doing with their forums

There are still very successful forums out there, and there are forums with great search engine traffic as well from quality content.. eg searching for repair info for my truck I was always landing on the same trailblazer forum

There are still people who like to type, generally they are older people..lol

cater to them
I was always more into gaming, and my days of hosting thousands of files like maps, mods etc are also mostly over, because of these times have passed too mostly, since most games dont even allow maps and mods anymore, unless they're official and you pay for it from the Games developer.

As for older , yes , we mid-40s generation still like to type. Thats true.

But still, in order for me to get excited again, i have to find some nice Mods and some nice themes for me to really do something for a forum. And in that big pile of mostly "outdated" Mods, I dont even know which one is still secure and works without issues even now. And since most of the people that created them, are not arround anymore, things are not as easy as it was before.
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 12:00
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What kind of mods are you looking for that aren't being supported?

Do those mods/plugins offer anything beneficial to your members?

Have you considered changing frameworks, you always have options
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 13:05
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The problems are not which Mods arent supported, many of the Mods are ages old and might consider a lot of Security issues which I do not want to put into a fresh vB install. And the list of Mods is so long, that it would take a long time to find the "black sheep", especially since most of their creators are not around anymore to maybe do some about it.

But I guess i will check into that.
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Old 04 Oct 2017, 14:24
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"if it aint broke dont fix it", most of the "older" mods are just fine. I've actually looked into the code of the majority of the relatively popular plugins and most of them are secure as far as I've seen.
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Old 05 Oct 2017, 20:29
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I have to say I agree with the OP it's been a huge task upgrading and trying to find solutions to old mods that don't work anymore. One of them is VB Image Hosting which does support VB 4 but not the most current version / some bugs.
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Old 06 Oct 2017, 15:30
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I still won't suggest to any of my clients running vbulletin 5 just on principle alone. An open source option like phpbb would be a better option for them.
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Old 09 Oct 2017, 10:04
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Brandon unfortunately uses vB 5.0.0 as his baseline for not recommending it, the product is light years away from that today. However, vB5 lacks the modification system of the scale that vB3 and vB4 had, which is the main reason you don't see many modifications for vB5. Though some people produce them: www.vbmods.rocks.

There has also been a huge move away from people writing major modifications for free. There are people who will write custom code for you but they will charge, and rightly so.

Part of the reasoning behind this is that there was a phase when a huge number of "entitled" people started demanding instant support for free mods and posting the most awful abuse and insults when they didn't get it. It drove a lot of people away. You see this on other platforms now, a lot of stuff is paid only because of the culture of entitlement that has developed on the internet.

The other big thing I would add - the days of being able to get people to join a forum because of all your fantastic modifications are over, if they ever existed. Nobody cares if you have a classified adverts section, or can upload your own videos, or can run auctions, or play arcade games - the world has moved on, these facilities are better provided elsewhere. The remaining successful forums are about content, content, content, and also content. Nothing else.
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Old 09 Oct 2017, 14:23
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Wrong Mark, I don't suggest any version of vbulletin 5.

I've had to work on it at various points since it was released and I'm not surprised at all that the community developers have moved on.

The options in the forum world are still out there and many for free, just not with vb5.
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Old 09 Oct 2017, 18:46
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Wrong Mark, I don't suggest any version of vbulletin 5.

I've had to work on it at various points since it was released and I'm not surprised at all that the community developers have moved on.

The options in the forum world are still out there and many for free, just not with vb5.
vB5 is not a good choice if you want modifications.

What I am pointing out though is that many of those who say "don't touch vB5, it is rubbish" only looked at 5.0.0 five years ago, and yet they give that same advice as if the product was still the same. If it were, I'd never suggest vB5 as an option for anyone, but the facts are it's a very different product these days.

But as always, when people say they want to upgrade or migrate, involving any software, I always question them as to why. If you have a successful, functioning forum, what are the compelling reasons to upgrade or change? Whatever platform it's on, if it works, the default position should be "leave it alone".

Hosts do not help with this, constantly telling people to "upgrade your software" as a "fix" for all manner of server issues.
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 02:12
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vb5 still lacks basic function issues, in particular for any image content based forums its purely useless.....or if you want a forum that respects permissions instead of telling you it has them but them not working etc etc.....if you do get into it there is still a long list i think most users would agree unless they have a casual text forum like vb.com.

many issues are not addressed and ive been with it since release....if you even watch the jiras its pretty shocking to see regular severe regressions and basic functionality issues that are only half casually worked into fixes....

i do agree about vb5 its nice to "not need" so much external modification...i can see a future potential that i keep waiting as patient as i can for... but for most practical sense as it is atm it cant be taken seriously if we are talking honestly....unless you want it for a casual forum in which case their are better options as vbulletin has historically excelled at having a better editor and being best suited for more professional and technical content....
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Mark.B View Post
vB5 is not a good choice
Some might say that sentence should end there.

Telling people that coders left because people got demanding really is misleading. There have always been people that were demanding. Most people left for other reasons. Poor quality (and having a finally rather usable version after five years is not something to be proud of), and company policy (which did not change, see recent events here).

But as always, when people say they want to upgrade or migrate, involving any software, I always question them as to why. If you have a successful, functioning forum, what are the compelling reasons to upgrade or change? Whatever platform it's on, if it works, the default position should be "leave it alone".
And you really think it's not telling that vB 5, after five years on the market, should not offer good reasons for most, if not every user to upgrade? However you try to rationalize it?
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