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Old 29 Nov 2010, 01:53
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time lost discussing and finding the right coder?

i actually lost 9 days with a client because he want a style that fits his need but he has no idea what his style can be, and he think a coder is the guy who has the imagination to create a branding for a site, with a penny as salary...

so yes, clients may loose a day or two for searching... guys on the other end may also loose a load of time with narrow-minded clients...

edit: i'm not pointing at my client right now... rofl... even if it looks that way... lol

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Old 29 Nov 2010, 05:27
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Originally Posted by JacquiiCooke View Post
And Nexia explained one reasoning of why you'd received only a few responses to your paid requests. And he explained quite succinctly imo.
Learn to read please.
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 05:38
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hmmm - learn to read...?

Originally Posted by James T Brock View Post
Learn to read please.
I have no idea what exactly you are referring to - but I promise that I will attempt to enhance my reading ability only if you promise to stop being a condescending piece of whatever it is that you think you are.

--------------- Added 29 Nov 2010 at 05:47 ---------------

Originally Posted by vbenhancer View Post
time lost discussing and finding the right coder?

i actually lost 9 days with a client because he want a style that fits his need but he has no idea what his style can be, and he think a coder is the guy who has the imagination to create a branding for a site, with a penny as salary...

so yes, clients may loose a day or two for searching... guys on the other end may also loose a load of time with narrow-minded clients...

edit: i'm not pointing at my client right now... rofl... even if it looks that way... lol
Try putting 20 days into a redesign concept following the clients request to the letter only to be told that they've found someone else to "code the design after school" for 30% the price originally agreed upon...

It's a tough world - narrow-minded does not even begin to describe. How about a 10 Commandments of vB Freelance...

#1 ==> Thou shalt not nickle and dime thy freelancer, for all time and talent has value.
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 12:55
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where' the dang thanks button when you need one... lol

--------------- Added 29 Nov 2010 at 12:57 ---------------

Originally Posted by James T Brock View Post
Learn to read please.
that reaction is the exact reason why coders, designers and developers stopped answering paid requests here... they stopped being taken for morons...

--------------- Added 29 Nov 2010 at 13:35 ---------------

oh, btw, once you posted a discussion on the web, it does not belong to you anymore... stop acting like you control this discussion, thanks.

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Old 29 Nov 2010, 13:52
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I saw a statement made by James , about only ones replying to post were those who want to make a quick buck... hence vbenhancer response .... as to "Why" you get those types of people.

The question was answered , we expanded on the topic.. this is how things work .. you cant expect any topic to follow 100% with the tittle or w.e , expect to have opinions etc...
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 16:38
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Originally Posted by JacquiiCooke View Post
I have no idea what exactly you are referring to - but I promise that I will attempt to enhance my reading ability only if you promise to stop being a condescending piece of whatever it is that you think you are.
Want to read condescending? Read vbenhancer's posts, particularly post #28.

I do admit that I have a pet peeve with getting irritated towards people who I feel lack reading comprehension and should pay more attention towards what they're replying to but I'm not the one who got disrespectful in the first place.

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The question was answered , we expanded on the topic.. this is how things work .. you cant expect any topic to follow 100% with the tittle or w.e , expect to have opinions etc...
I don't mind an expansion of the topic. What I had a problem with was someone whose incredibly bitter towards vBulletin going off on a tangent and trying to talk down to me when he was answering something that I never even stated. If he has a problem with how vBulletin treats coders then that's another subject for a different thread, if he's going to whine here then fine but don't direct the whines towards me.

This is what I said: "It seems like the only 'programmers' who read that forum are people looking to make 10 bucks installing a mod or upgrading some n00bs forum."

This is what he said in reply to that: "actually, the real coders like me are trying to avoid 10 bucks "big money" contracts that are usually spoiled by a guy who steal our work or simply vanish without paying. Guys with competences are the ones that do not advertise their ability to do any 10 bucks contracts, because they have a reputation to keep..."

What he said doesn't make any sense in relation to what I was saying. Nowhere in my statement do I say anything about wanting to pay someone $10 for a job.
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 17:02
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I would be very surprised if a legitimate, possible, request with sufficient detail was given in the paid requests forum that it would be hard to get a good coder... When I made my request a few months ago I was very specific with what I wanted and exactly what I wanted it to do with an MS Paint sketch up of what it should basically look like. Within 2 days I had 4 offers randing from affordable to several hundred dollars, all with past happy clients willing to recommend them.

For most coders this isn't going to make them "rich"- the money is OK but it's rarely worth putting up with a client who doesn't know what they want, have no clue the work involved in making something, or otherwise is so out of touch with coding reality it hurts. You don't want to disappoint someone, but if after 90% of the work is done they come along and want to make what they think is a minor change it becomes a very touchy situation... Even when helping people for free I look out for people who I think can't appreciate the work going into something... They are more of a pain to work with then it's worth and sadly they probably don't even know it.
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 18:21
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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5 View Post
I would be very surprised if a legitimate, possible, request with sufficient detail was given in the paid requests forum that it would be hard to get a good coder...
Your own words...

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=245414

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5
Why would anyone do this you might ask... All I can say is that if you never thought about this you probably don't need it, but I've been looking for this for 2 years with numerous requests for it that went unanswered.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, I like you and really appreciate you for releasing that mod because coincidentally it leads into my argument I was making in this thread. Twice I actually hired someone to make a mod similar to that for me and both times ended up with them wasting my time. The funny thing was everybody was acting like it was super-complicated but it turned out to be just a couple file edits on one page. I've even went and modified it myself to add some extra things to customize it to my needs. It's as simple of a mod as you can get yet it took you two years and me and others numerous tries as well to get it made...

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5 View Post
For most coders this isn't going to make them "rich"- the money is OK but it's rarely worth putting up with a client who doesn't know what they want, have no clue the work involved in making something, or otherwise is so out of touch with coding reality it hurts. You don't want to disappoint someone, but if after 90% of the work is done they come along and want to make what they think is a minor change it becomes a very touchy situation...
Plan it out ahead of time. Ask them exactly what they want. Decide on a price and tell them exactly what you can do for them and approximately how long it will take. Explain beforehand that you can't change the specs once things are decided upon and work is underway, at least not without increasing how much he'll be charged. Other than the normal issues that comes in any business relationship I really don't see the problem. I agree that it can be a touchy situation but that's the kind of thing you have to deal with in business. If you don't feel comfortable handling custom jobs for individual customers then another option is to create stock scripts and re-sell them at a set price.

Most professional coders do quite well, it's a growing industry. I don't run websites as a hobby, this is a business for me and I've been doing it for many years. Its been my experience that most skilled coders are either working on their own projects, have a small amount of large clients they work for, or they use their programming skills in a typical "9-5" and don't have much time/need for freelance work. These coders who are broke hanging out on message boards are usually the one's who are too lazy and unmotivated to send a simple PM to someone looking to hire them. Or they take jobs and don't come through on it, disappear, flake on the client, etc. Yeah there are tons of annoying potential clients out there, especially when they think they own you just because you agree to work for them, but there is lots of money to be made and tons of people waving around cash with no-one to give it to.
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Old 29 Nov 2010, 18:46
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Originally Posted by James T Brock View Post
Your own words...
That was because I was requesting that mod in "unpaid requests" for years... I never considered paying for that mod. I'm sorry to hear even paid coders couldn't get it done for you.

I've since found a large off-topic forum that uses a similar mod, actually lets people choose which forums to include in a "Master Forum" with a very easy to use interface. I'm sure it was a custom designed mod.
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Old 30 Nov 2010, 17:53
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James,

I suggest browsing trough the modifications forum and seeking out coders who have created modifications similar to what you are seeking. Review their work, coding quality and support. Then direct those coders to your paid request. This has worked for me to some extent. I still got some low quality coders, but also found some good coders that I am happy with.
Expect to get burned a few times.

I hope that helps.
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Old 30 Dec 2011, 14:11
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Still having very hard time finding vbulletin coder for our requirements..
Tried posting on vb.org paid requests forum as well, but of no help..

Will be very helpful if someone can guide properly. We are ready to pay as per industry rates.
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Old 30 Dec 2011, 17:37
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Originally Posted by SaN-DeeP View Post
Still having very hard time finding vbulletin coder for our requirements..
Tried posting on vb.org paid requests forum as well, but of no help..

Will be very helpful if someone can guide properly. We are ready to pay as per industry rates.
Remember to keep the topic alive, if it were me I would post once a week w/ a simple "Still looking" and if your not having luck try searching online - the paid request forum here is not the only medium available for finding reputable individuals or companies for that matter who provide quality work.

Now let me take a minute and clarify a few things, this however should be considered a clarification from my perspective only though! What can I say? Well it's simple - this type of work varies and in-turn so do the fees/prices therefor there is no industry standard... the base pay for a PHP Coder? Can you use that as a guide? Probably not or maybe so, either or, neither nor? Well vBulletin is based around that however has more to it, unless you find someone who knows the software you could be paying for a learning curve or other to be honest. This is truly one of those situations where, if your looking for help it's going to take finding the right person for the task or like the old saying "If you want it done right, do it yourself" and if that's not possible then well plainly put you need to "Put your money where your mouth is" and make it happen. If your on a limited budget or other then it's time to consider and realize that your not going to achieve every single customization, new feature, and goal you want on your site unless it's a very short list at that (or see below, find the right person and you will have it all quite possibly ).

Now with all that said I also need to remind others that you can find someone to work on your forum that charges what seems to be outrageous fees or you can find someone who charges nickels and dimes... Either one could be right for you! No seriously, I'm approached all the time and hear negative comments about not wanting to hire someone outside the US or who is in a country not "deemed" this or that and all I have to say is, all it takes is the right PERSON no matter where they are from - If they are honest and good hearted then what does location matter? Don't judge a book by it's cover and don't assume just because someone has a hard time with English (good lord man do you know how complicated it is to learn English versus someone learning another language? It's actually more complicated than other languages so give them a break) does not mean they can't code a fantastic modification. In the least consider everyone yet be cautious and careful while you take a small leap of faith... or not, the point is sometimes things work out however if you never purchase that lottery ticket, you won't have a chance to win big .
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Old 30 Dec 2011, 20:35
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have you tried posting a request on http://www.elance.com and http://www.freelancer.com? Both these sites will have someone willing to do what you need.
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If time is not a huge factor in getting things done.

DIY works for me, but you need to take some time to learn.
- tools are here
- search is my friend (lots of time involved for research, trial, error)
- countless hacks to rip apart and reverse engineer on how they work
- rip apart the core of the program
- bend the code to your will !!

If you have an idea of what you want make sure and post it. There are many websites that have people who might help.

I have seen wonderful things happen when a few minds are on a project.
If you make it a public project "hack, modification" for people to try and improve, who knows !

Good luck on your projects and the hunt for a tech who can deliver.
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Old 31 Dec 2011, 02:21
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There really should be a central clearing house for coders and designers.
The international society of website coders and designers or the international association of website coders and designers.
To be a member you'd have to know your snizzle about either one (or both) and have high work ethics. I'd require some documentation of what languages you're certified in. Plus your portfolio would have to contain jobs you have done that could be contacted for a review.
It would get a little complicated at first but in the long run if you have some strict policies in place to be a member, that would weed out the fly by nights and ripoff artists. Add to that an application fee and a yearly renewal fee ( subject to a review again) and you have sifted the wheat from the chaff.
In the end the seal you'd get to display on your website would show prospective clients, you know your snizzle, you have it all in one sock, and a strong personal and professional work ethic.

Something to consider. Then complaint threads and crys in the night would vanish...
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