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Old 17 Jan 2015, 11:50
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Showing Appreciation has lost on nowadays. Pity :(

Hello all,

Without having in mind to blame anyone, I want to share my opinion. And the best solution to make my post independent I'll not talk for myself but for another Coder here. Let's see what the numbers are saying:

Ozzy47
Total Posts: 10,454 (5.24 posts per day)
Total Mods: 211
Total Downloads of his mods: Difficult to count them but with an average 25 per mod > 5,000

And now some statistics of his site:
Members: 699

A bit better are the statistics for BirdOPrey5 and his site, but again there is a big difference comparing his site's member with his work here (Posts and Mods).

All of you here are webmasters. All of you are working to find more free mods and style to impove your site. Right? For what? For getting more registrations, for making your site more active and thus to earn some more money from advertisments (in case that your site is free), or to sell more (in case for shops, or membership).

After all I'm wondering for something simple. Why you don't give the same to those coders/designers who are operating their own website? For sure they didn't spent their money to buy a license, or to pay for hosting, for nothing. To have an operating site means that they want new registrations.

Is there any taboo on registering on coder's sites? That's all that I want to know. I'm expecting now to read many personal attacks like: "Why to register to your site while you've shut down your sites at least 5 times?". Correct. Read the reason above. Ig you had a site with 50 members how long you had to keep it active? I'm sure much less time than the time that I was keeping my sites live. And finally, during my 8 years activity as coder for vB, I've registered in more than 100 sites just to offer help. I didn't registered to get something but to offer something. Try to search some old sites and don't surprised if you see "MicroHellas" as member there.

That's all that I had to say. Again without the minimum bad thought in my mind. Without to blame, offend, insult anyone (person). But yes I blame the "activity" (it's not the right word, but can't find any other now).

Christos


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Old 17 Jan 2015, 12:12
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Unfortunately these days not many people want to pay for things. Its hard these days being a freelancer for all of us that do it. Especially when you have people running around doing stuff like creating custom skins for $100 and the skins look like crap, they are coded improperly and it looks like a 12 year old did it, but everyone wants to get a good deal. Unfortunately here on vBulletin.org it has gotten quite thin. There used to be tons of people on here and at least 8-10 posts in the Paid section a day. I could pick clients really easily just off this site, but its so slow here now and so many developers have dumped vBulletin that I'm afraid this is one reason for the low numbers.

And I remember your contribution back when you were MicroHellas. I signed up on your site back then and I had bought a shopping cart from you at one time. I have always thought that you were very professional & courteous to customers.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 12:31
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Unfortunately these days not many people want to pay for things. I
I'm not talking for paying, that's why I used as main example Ozzy47's website where everything is free.

Talking fro myself now. First of all monitoring bugs here is almost impossible. Threads are good for discussions but not for bugs. Also suggesions, even if they can post here and other users can use the Like feature, again is simplier and easier using vB Project Tools.

But the main problem (talking for me again), is that it's impossible to control updates and posts. I already post my vB mods in TAZ and soon I'll post them in other sites too. How is possible to control all updates in different sites? One more thing. I've mods/scripts that I can't post here. eg a WP plugin, a Facebook application, some PHP scripts etc.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 13:06
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We show appreciation different ways. Registering on their site might be one, but really, there's got to be a reason to regularly visit a site. And I can't imagine one can put in any real quality time helping out, if you're a member at hundreds of them. We've all built our boards for our own niche subjects, and according to our own unique visions, to the best of our abilities. If I release a mod here, I really don't expect that's going to translate into membership. You guys have a diverse range of interests, and the only unifying one is running a community. Outside of that, it'd be sheer coincidence if our interests crossed over in a way that we would have any means to even be helpful on each other's live sites.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 13:13
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I agree. I think the question is, why *would* someone register? There should be something more than just wanting to run up the numbers. I mean, if someone has a goal of getting registrations (or installs or releases or posts) to 'X' just for their own satisfaction that's fine, but if it's not working out then I don't see that there's anything to complain about.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 13:15
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Well one reason would be the fact to easily track bug reports, or feature requests.

Try going through this thread, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=168992

Find me every bug report, and feature request.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 13:31
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Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
Well one reason would be the fact to easily track bug reports, or feature requests.

Try going through this thread, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=168992

Find me every bug report, and feature request.
That's one reason, sure. But again, the unifying reason there would be that we're all forum admins. Same with sites like TAZ and Digital Point. But the fact that every Installed user isn't a member on the author's respective website is not a lack of appreciation, as Nick suggests. It's more a matter of time and familiarity.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 14:08
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I'm not talking for paying, that's why I used as main example Ozzy47's website where everything is free.

Talking fro myself now. First of all monitoring bugs here is almost impossible. Threads are good for discussions but not for bugs. Also suggesions, even if they can post here and other users can use the Like feature, again is simplier and easier using vB Project Tools.

But the main problem (talking for me again), is that it's impossible to control updates and posts. I already post my vB mods in TAZ and soon I'll post them in other sites too. How is possible to control all updates in different sites? One more thing. I've mods/scripts that I can't post here. eg a WP plugin, a Facebook application, some PHP scripts etc.
I can imagine monitoring bugs would be a total nightmare if you had things posted in several places. I've done that in the past with free skins and it is hard to keep up with I agree. But if your purpose is to drive traffic to your site then it might well worth it if it also drives revenue to you in the way of new clients/projects. So its a double edged sword of sorts.

As for posting mods of different software types this is actually an idea I've kicked around for some time. I have wanted to create a site that not only allows people to post say vBulletin, but Wordpress, Joomla, X-Cart whatever they have in mods & skins. That has been a huge idea that I've wanted to do for some time personally. Kind of an all-in-one place.

Originally Posted by ozzy47 View Post
Well one reason would be the fact to easily track bug reports, or feature requests.

Try going through this thread, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=168992

Find me every bug report, and feature request.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:05
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That's one reason, sure. .
You need a second one? That's one is not enought for spending someone 3 min to register somewhere? The coders needs X 10 times more just to short out which of 100's of the posts are bug reports, which are questions or suggestions etc.

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Originally Posted by Digital Jedi View Post
We show appreciation different ways.
Like??.... From my experiance type of appretiation that I experianced are:

1.- Demo? Don't you have a demo? You're setting a demo and the next question: Demo account login? It asked me to register (usally a 1 min task as most demo installation does not have email confirmations etc etc).

2.- Very nice addon. Can you please add A... B.. and C? If you do the mistake to add something, then: Very nice. Thank you for adding A & B. Now can you also add D, E and maybe F features.

3.- In my site "mysite.com" I want to add this xxx special feature. Can you add it?

4.- I got error "xxxx"....... after 2 hours without reply, a new post with those red face icons "No support, Uninstalled, I hate xxx coder", even if a quick look in my postbit can shows that when the post made it was 3am for me.

5.- How many types of bad appreciations do you want me to list? There are dozens more...
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:23
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Modifications and add-ons are also one of the reasons why forums are a success. I mean look at vBulletin 5, it's not a success at all and when you look at the mods section, you might know why.

I'd appreciate it already if people just simply make a "thank you" post in my release threads. In case people use a mod/style which they use all the time and save them a lot of time, they should just donate a few bucks to the author to show appreciation. The author potentially worked on a mod/style for days and they don't get anything in return.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:28
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I agree. I think the question is, why *would* someone register? .
I'll use again Ozzy47's statistics. What about Ad revenue? I'm totally novice on this topic as never used advertisments. But have heard that some people are getting good money (good money can be $200 for someone who earns $0 from his coding work).

So with simple calculations if his site had 5000 users instead of 700 and 150,000 posts instead of 22,000 for sure he has the possibility to earn something from advertisments.

But mostly.... how to say it.... is not about money.... It's the feeling that you're not alone in the ship. That there are some people there to discuss anything you like.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:39
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I'll use again Ozzy47's statistics. What about Ad revenue? I'm totally novice on this topic as never used advertisments. But have heard that some people are getting good money (good money can be $200 for someone who earns $0 from his coding work).

So with simple calculations if his site had 5000 users instead of 700 and 150,000 posts instead of 22,000 for sure he has the possibility to earn something from advertisments.

But mostly.... how to say it.... is not about money.... It's the feeling that you're not alone in the ship. That there are some people there to discuss anything you like.
You're assuming active users, not just registrations. So like I said above, there has to be something there to make it worth the trouble of registering. I'm guessing most admins don't want to spend much time discussing mods.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:43
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Just as a side note, I do not have any adverts on my site, the above was a example.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 16:50
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You're assuming active users, not just registrations..
For sure I mean active registrations. Maybe my post was not clear. Simple registrations can be done easily with a simple script, even manually if admin has some free time.

And I didn't meant to move all posts from here to the coder's site. NO !!. There are so many simple questions that can be post and reply here. I meant ONLY the bug reports. Mainly because they need a faster reply but also because using Project Tools monitoring them is much easier.
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Old 17 Jan 2015, 18:28
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Originally Posted by NickTheGreek View Post
A bit better are the statistics for BirdOPrey5 and his site, but again there is a big difference comparing his site's member with his work here (Posts and Mods).
And also, time. It's only been relatively recently that Ozzy's opened his site up for registrations. It was a closed site, just a test site, as little as 18 months ago. Joe's has been open and active for years.

I definitely see examples every day of what you're talking about though. Several folks here who have already replied help out people here on vBorg every day, but very seldom even get a "Like" from the people they help. More often done but often omitted too, is the simple "Thank you" post in the thread where the help was received.

Seems it would be quite a stretch to expect these ingrates, these non-thankers, to take time out of their busy schedules to actually register on the sites of these folks who help them for free.
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