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IB really are gifted strategic thinkers

Thank you Lynne, BirdOPrey5, MarkFL, Dismounted, Princeton and Paul M for your selfless dedication to helping us on here over the years; I have lost count of how many times you have saved my skin and sanity.

Also, I have mods & fixes installed from almost all of you which imho have made VB 4.x exponentially better.

[paradoxG(r)eek]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

...leave your mods up if you can.

Joe are you reffering to me?

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by paradoxG(r)eek

Joe are you reffering to me?

I'm referring to everyone reading this, including fellow (former?) staffers. I'm keeping my mods on the site, they should all be considered unsupported, but they will stay up as long as this site wants them. My concern is for the innocent user who has been using a mod for a while and needs to redownload a copy for whatever reason, I've been one of those users and clicked on the link in Product Manager only to find some mod no longer available because the coder had disagreements with the direction of the company. I'm not going to be one of those coders. But that's just me. I would ask others join me, but I understand those who cannot.

[paradoxG(r)eek]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

I'm referring to everyone reading this, including fellow (former?) staffers..

As for me, I'm very strict on my moral values (without any mean that other who are doing the opposite, they don't have their own values). What happen with IB and all of you there, I count it as a back-kick. My English don't allow me to explain it deeper as I don't know the rights words to use to express my feelings.

As long as this site will stops working with people that I know (even just as names), and will be controlling by company's staff, sorry, this is no place for me anymore.

Leaving my work here, while I'll be away, is not wise as I don't know how they'll use them (the mods). If someone wants to find my mods, he knows where to find me.

[MarkFL]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

...I'm keeping my mods on the site, they should all be considered unsupported, but they will stay up as long as this site wants them...

Same here. I would also urge everyone who has published any products here to take some time to consider your decision regarding whether you are going to leave your work here or not. In the end, I respect everyone's right to make their own decision of course, but I ask that this decision not be made in haste.

[paradoxG(r)eek]

Originally Posted by MarkFL

Same here. I would also urge everyone who has published any products here to take some time to consider your decision regarding whether you are going to leave your work here or not. In the end, I respect everyone's right to make their own decision of course, but I ask that this decision not be made in haste.

As long as from now on vbulletin.org -> vbulletin.com, I'm out. In a couple of days my mods should be again available for free download but in another site for Forum Admins. To avoid breaking the TOS, I'm not posting the link, but sure you'll find it.

[In Omnibus]

Internet Brands seems to be consciously seeking out new ways to decimate the future of the vBulletin product. To what end?

vBulletin 4.x would never have become a viable product without each and every one of the staff here at vBulletin.org. Some thanks this is for seven years of blood, sweat and tears on that product and those which came before it.

It's clearly and convincingly all about the vB5.x product now. None of the people named work exclusively or primarily on that product and so were deemed dispensable.

I know this has been stated by others here and previously but the contributions of the vB.org staff to the vBulletin forum community cannot be overstated.

A personal thank you to each of you for making this product the best it could be despite opposition.

Each of you will be sorely missed.

[49er]

Originally Posted by zethon

I would like to offer my services to be an admin or moderator! I've been using vBulletin since 2004, written several mods and am pals with a (former) staff member.

Did you check all the pockets?

[Zylantex]

Speaking as someone who has relied on this site to improve the user experience of my own sites, this is a disaster both for vB and for the individuals concerned. I say this because I was a senior mod on a major site and got shafted by the owner. I still can't put the betrayal behind me.

[Dave]

I hope IB will change their mind before it's too late, but I have a feeling they will not do that.

vbulletin.org is a very important site and is probably one of the reasons why some people choose for vBulletin instead of other forum software. Personally I chose for vBulletin because it provided all the plugins and modifications that I was looking for, I even forward clients of mine to this site when they are considering to get vBulletin.

Without this site and the current staff team, I'm afraid it will turn into void.

[BGObsession]

With vbulletin saying version 4.2.5 will be the last upgrade for that version, and not wanting to go to what seems like a very different platform in version 5, this nonsense will likely push me to move on from vBulletin entirely. This site has served as the core support forum for vBulletin users for many years. Allowing a decades worth of expertise to leave over some silly and petty issue of control is just blatantly disrespectful to the membership of this community and those of us who have invested thousands of dollars over the years in vB products and add-ons.

Top tier companies do not actively alienate their own customers.

[ChloeDione]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Obviously people need to do what they feel is right, but I urge you, even if you will stop supporting them, leave your mods up if you can. You aren't hurting IB, they don't care. You're only hurting existing customers who can't get refunds and are no different than any of us were our first days/weeks/months on vBulletin.

This is what pisses me off the most ; I could easily have about 30 to 40 coders and sites pull their support from here and transfer to a different software (even if it was free to use and not so good) but in the end it will hurt those who paid for this software more than anything.

Paul was the single best thing that VB has ever had / seen and to lose that due to such a self inflicted wound by IB is absurd ; they just won't listen to reason. I have made my own feelings clear over the last several weeks but like you said, I can't follow through in executing this all as it will just hurt a bunch of innocent users / start up sites.



--------------- Added 01 Jul 2017 at 20:18 ---------------

Originally Posted by Dave

I hope IB will change their mind before it's too late, but I have a feeling they will not do that.

vbulletin.org is a very important site and is probably one of the reasons why some people choose for vBulletin instead of other forum software. Personally I chose for vBulletin because it provided all the plugins and modifications that I was looking for, I even forward clients of mine to this site when they are considering to get vBulletin.

Without this site and the current staff team, I'm afraid it will turn into void.

Agreed, VB is dead without you all.

I suppose in theory, their behavior makes sense. They are trying their best to remove free modifications as much as possible (for 5) so a place like this (offering so much instrumental support and help) hurts their back pocket / bottom dollar.

God are they about to find out how wrong they have it / how such a boycott will destroy them.

[motorhaven]

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

This is what pisses me off the most ; I could easily have about 30 to 40 coders and sites pull their support from here and transfer to a different software (even if it was free to use and not so good) but in the end it will hurt those who paid for this software more than anything.

Maybe that is what needs to happen so the holdouts migrate to something else and what's left of VB shrinking market evaporates.

[pokesph]

RIP vB.org, you will never be the same and we will miss you greatly.

[lapiervb]

I think most of us gave up on IB a few years ago. I have one forum left on vb4... vb will never be on option and now it appears I will have to accelerate to move away from my last vb4 forum.